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BJ_M
07-23-2003, 11:13 AM
Just satire -- everyone has the right to thier own opinions - thats what makes america free (at one time). Please Honour & Respect the people in the armed forces always ( i was one myself)


US Politics for Dummies

Q: Daddy, why did we have to attack Iraq?

A: Because they had weapons of mass destruction honey.

Q: But the inspectors didn't find any weapons of mass destruction.

A: That's because the Iraqis were hiding them.

Q: And that's why we invaded Iraq?

A: Yep. Invasions always work better than inspections.

Q: But after we invaded them, we STILL didn't find any weapons of mass
destruction, did we?

A: That's because the weapons are so well hidden. Don't worry, we'll find
something, probably right before the 2004 election.

Q: Why did Iraq want all those weapons of mass destruction?

A: To use them in a war, silly.

Q: I'm confused. If they had all those weaponst that they planned to use in
a war, then why didn't they use any of those weapons when we went to war
with them?

A: Well, obviously they didn't want anyone to know they had those weapons,
so they chose to die by the thousands rather than defend themselves.

Q: That doesn't make sense Daddy. Why would they choose to die if they had
all those big weapons to fight us back with?

A: It's a different culture. It's not supposed to make sense.

Q: I don't know about you, but I don't think they had any of those weapons
our government said they did.

A: Well, you know, it doesn't matter whether or not they had those weapons.
We had another good reason to invade them anyway.

Q: And what was that?

A: Even if Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction, Saddam Hussein was
a cruel dictator, which is another good reason to invade another country.

Q: Why? What does a cruel dictator do that makes it OK to invade his
country?

A: Well, for one thing, he tortured his own people.

Q: Kind of like what they do in China?

A: Don't go comparing China to Iraq. China is a good economic competitor,
where millions of people work for slave wages in sweatshops to make U.S.
corporations richer.

Q: So if a country lets its people be exploited for American corporate gain,
it's a good country, even if that country tortures people?

A: Right.

Q: Why were people in Iraq being tortured?

A: For political crimes, mostly, like criticizing the government. People who
criticized the government in Iraq were sent to prison and tortured.

Q: Isn't that exactly what happens in China?

A: I told you, China is different.

Q: What's the difference between China and Iraq?

A: Well, for one thing, Iraq was ruled by the Ba'ath party, while China is
Communist.

Q: Didn't you once tell me Communists were bad?

A: No, just Cuban Communists are bad.

Q: How are the Cuban Communists bad?

A: Well, for one thing, people who criticize the government in Cuba are sent
to prison and tortured.

Q: Like in Iraq?

A: Exactly.

Q: And like in China, too?

A: I told you, China's a good economic competitor. Cuba, on the other hand,
is not.

Q: How come Cuba isn't a good economic competitor?

A: Well, you see, back in the early 1960s, our government passed some laws
that made it illegal for Americans to trade or do any business with Cuba
until they stopped being Communists and started being capitalists like us.

Q: But if we got rid of those laws, opened up trade with Cuba, and started
doing business with them, wouldn't that help the Cubans become capitalists?

A: Don't be a smart-ass.

Q: I didn't think I was being one.

A: Well, anyway, they also don't have freedom of religion in Cuba.

Q: Kind of like China and the Falun Gong movement?

A: I told you, stop saying bad things about China. Anyway, Saddam Hussein
came to power through a military coup, so he's not really a legitimate
leader anyway.

Q: What's a military coup?

A: That's when a military general takes over the government of a country by
force, instead of holding free elections like we do in the United States.

Q: Didn't the ruler of Pakistan come to power by a military coup?

A: You mean General Pervez Musharraf? Uh, yeah, he did, but Pakistan is our
friend.

Q: Why is Pakistan our friend if their leader is illegitimate?

A: I never said Pervez Musharraf was illegitimate.

Q: Didn't you just say a military general who comes to power by forcibly
overthrowing the legitimate government of a nation is an illegitimate
leader?

A: Only Saddam Hussein. Pervez Musharraf is our friend, because he helped us
invade Afghanistan.

Q: Why did we invade Afghanistan?

A: Because of what they did to us on September 11th.

Q: What did Afghanistan do to us on September 11th?

A: Well, on September 11th, nineteen men? Fifteen of them Saudi Arabians?
hijacked four airplanes and flew three of them into buildings, killing over
3,000 Americans.

Q: So how did Afghanistan figure into all that?

A: Afghanistan was where those bad men trained, under the oppressive rule of
the Taliban.

Q: Aren't the Taliban those bad radical Islamics who chopped off people's
heads and hands?

A: Yes, that's exactly who they were. Not only did they chop off people's
heads and hands, but they oppressed women, too.

Q: Didn't the Bush administration give the Taliban 43 million dollars back
in May of 2001?

A: Yes, but that money was a reward because they did such a good job
fighting drugs.

Q: Fighting drugs?

A: Yes, the Taliban were very helpful in stopping people from growing opium
poppies.

Q: How did they do such a good job?

A: Simple. If people were caught growing opium poppies, the Taliban would
have their hands and heads cut off.

Q: So, when the Taliban cut off people's heads and hands for growing
flowers, that was OK, but not if they cut people's heads and hands off for
other reasons?

A: Yes. It's OK with us if radical Islamic fundamentalists cut off people's
hands for growing flowers, but it's cruel if they cut off people's hands for
stealing bread.

Q: Don't they also cut off people's hands and heads in Saudi Arabia?

A: That's different. Afghanistan was ruled by a tyrannical patriarchy that
oppressed women and forced them to wear burqas whenever they were in public,
with death by stoning as the penalty for women who did not comply.

Q: Don't Saudi women have to wear burqas in public, too?

A: No, Saudi women merely wear a traditional Islamic body covering.

Q: What's the difference?

A: The traditional Islamic covering worn by Saudi women is a modest yet
fashionable garment that covers all of a woman's body except for her eyes
and fingers. The burqa, on the other hand, is an evil tool of patriarchal
oppression that covers all of a woman's body except for her eyes and
fingers.

Q: It sounds like the same thing with a different name.

A: Now, don't go comparing Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are our
friends.

Q: But I thought you said 15 of the 19 hijackers on September 11th were from
Saudi Arabia.

A: Yes, but they trained in Afghanistan.

Q: Who trained them?

A: A very bad man named Osama bin Laden.

Q: Was he from Afghanistan?

A: Uh, no, he was from Saudi Arabia too. But he was a bad man, a very bad
man.

Q: I seem to recall he was our friend once.

A: Only when we helped him and the mujahadeen repel the Soviet invasion of
Afghanistan back in the 1980s.

Q: Who are the Soviets? Was that the Evil Communist Empire Ronald Reagan
talked about?

A: There are no more Soviets. The Soviet Union broke up in 1990 or
thereabouts, and now they have elections and capitalism like us. We call
them Russians now.

Q: So the Soviets ? I mean, the Russians ? are now our friends?

A: Well, not really. You see, they were our friends for many years after
they stopped being Soviets, but then they decided not to support our
invasion of Iraq, so we're mad at them now.
We're also mad at the French and the Germans because they didn't help us
invade Iraq either.

Q: So the French and Germans are evil, too?

A: Not exactly evil, but just bad enough that we had to rename French fries
and French toast to Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast.

Q: Do we always rename foods whenever another country doesn't do what we
want them to do?

A: No, we just do that to our friends. Our enemies, we invade.

Q: But wasn't Iraq one of our friends back in the 1980s?

A: Well, yeah. For a while.

Q: Was Saddam Hussein ruler of Iraq back then?

A: Yes, but at the time he was fighting against Iran, which made him our
friend, temporarily.

Q: Why did that make him our friend?

A: Because at that time, Iran was our enemy.

Q: Isn't that when he gassed the Kurds?

A: Yeah, but since he was fighting against Iran at the time, we looked the
other way, to show him we were his friend.

Q: So anyone who fights against one of our enemies automatically becomes our
friend?

A: Most of the time, yes.

Q: And anyone who fights against one of our friends is automatically an
enemy?

A: Sometimes that's true, too. However, if American corporations can profit
by selling weapons to both sides at the same time, all the better.

Q: Why?

A: Because war is good for the economy, which means war is good for America.
Also, since God is on America's side, anyone who opposes war is a godless
un-American Communist. Do you understand now why we attacked Iraq?

Q: I think so. We attacked them because God wanted us to, right?

A: Yes.

Q: But how did we know God wanted us to attack Iraq?

A: Well, you see, God personally speaks to George W. Bush and tells him what
to do.

Q: So basically, what you're saying is that we attacked Iraq because George
W. Bush hears voices in his head?

A. Yes! You finally understand how the world works. Now close your eyes,
make yourself comfortable, and go to sleep. Good night.

Q: Good night, Daddy.

California International Studies Project
Stanford University

thephenom
07-23-2003, 12:07 PM
:devil
I'm sure this thread will have a lot of arguments going on, though most of us here are very political.

egarrard
07-23-2003, 12:30 PM
Now, THAT was funny! Great post! :thumb :thumb

Damiz
07-23-2003, 01:54 PM
haha wow i can't believe i read all that! ;)

abb1
07-23-2003, 03:17 PM
:rofl2 Funny, but true:rofl2

marko3xl3
07-23-2003, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by Damiz
haha wow i can't believe i read all that! ;)

DOH!!! Let me tell you this...it doesn't make sense to read everything if you understand less than half of it. At least that's what god told me...:devil j/k

Raedwulf
07-23-2003, 04:35 PM
Someone explain to me why we waited 10+ years to finally do something about the so called missiles

They did have missles a few months before the attacks... wasn't one of the demands at the end of Desert Storm 'Get rid of the missles'? and 10 years later they're finally started getting rid of them...

If you ask me... this should have all been done along time ago, the US would have had alot more support back then, than now

egarrard
07-23-2003, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by Raedwulf
Someone explain to me why we waited 10+ years to finally do something about the so called missiles
Liberals. Too much feeling the pain and not enough kicking the ***...

That, and greed run rampant at the UN.

mrman_3k
07-23-2003, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by egarrard
Liberals. Too much feeling the pain and not enough kicking the ***...

That, and greed run rampant at the UN.

Finally it is said, the UN is one of the worst organizations right now. All they care about is bringing down the US because they are jealous. I can't believe they said we shouldn't go to war in Iraq and now want to send our boys to Liberia to get killed for no reason. That stupid Jesse Jackson and his crew need to shove it and focus on really helping poor people by focusing on giving them a good education instead of supporting stupid things.

Man, I could keep going on and adding to the list. And don't get me started on Rocky Mountain Trash.

wazman
07-23-2003, 08:12 PM
Anybody else notice that you never hear a word out of Jesse Jackson unless there's some huge political issue in the news? Then he's all over it...

Just sayin'...

tantousha
07-23-2003, 11:02 PM
Politics is always like that. I mean look at Italy during WWII, they switched sides halfway through...

The only sad part is how the people of a country are all declared bad or good based on the actions of their governments. I mean look at when the Americans started doing things like pooring out the French wine and renaming their foods, that was more insulting to the French people than the government. (Well, except for French toast who was more insulting to the inventer, Joseph French, who was an American colonist)

timie
07-23-2003, 11:07 PM
tl;dr

SonikEmpire
07-24-2003, 10:51 AM
Rofl, that was long but good! i read it all, ahhhhhh my eyes....

JCYC5
07-24-2003, 10:59 AM
That was great...

Persoanlly, I don't believe that it is right for a country to police the world. :Blah

egarrard
07-24-2003, 02:19 PM
So we should just sit by and let them slaughter each other.

tantousha
07-24-2003, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by egarrard
So we should just sit by and let them slaughter each other.

No, but one should get the world on their side before going after a country...

Maro
07-24-2003, 05:26 PM
The problem is that the UN should be rebuilt from the ground up - it is corrupt and toothless. Also if youare designated a UN Peacekeeper, you should actually have the cojones to act - during the war in Bosnia the UN stood by whilst the Serbs massacred their enemies. When a British Colonel had enough and intervened to save lives he was nearly court martialled!

The sad thing is that it is not the people -I love Americans ans America. It is politicians - all over the wolrd - you don't need any qualifications to be a Politician.

Does anyone have any respect for them? If I was in power and I saw the news about thousands of children being killed in the Congo would I be thinking "well if I intervene will I get re-elected?" Screw it - there are people's lives at sake here!

Besides, think on this - any politician makes it as Prime Minister/President never has to wirry financially fo rthe rest of his/her life - constant security/Pension/business opportunities will look after them. Wouldn't it be refreshing to get a leader who said "Screw the elections, I'm going to do everything I can to save some lives. I know I would, But then again if I thought like that I wouldn't get elected!

:Sigh :Sigh :Sigh :Sigh :Sigh

egarrard
07-24-2003, 05:30 PM
Originally posted by tantousha
No, but one should get the world on their side before going after a country... And if they say no? Do we still stand by and watch the slaughter?

JCYC5
07-24-2003, 06:00 PM
And have our next generation slaughtered aswell? To let them die in a place so far away from their home, so unrealated?

Maro
07-24-2003, 06:03 PM
Too emotive a subject really - I would put my life on the line to save someone else's - it is a personal thing really.

As well, if you ign up to join the armed forces, you can't really complain about being deployed - that is kind of the point?

egarrard
07-24-2003, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by JCYC5
And have our next generation slaughtered aswell? To let them die in a place so far away from their home, so unrealated? Yes. Do the others in the world mean nothing to you? If you have the power to put a stop to the suffering, don't you have an obligation to?

JCYC5
07-24-2003, 06:46 PM
I didn't mean for the soldier. He volunteered to serve his country. He knew what could happen.

But for his family. Yes, they would be proud. But how about the fact that he died somewhere to stop something that does not affect them?

I don't usually comment on these things because I want to stop a debate from happening out of my words... because I'm no good at them.

Maro
07-24-2003, 06:57 PM
It's kind of the ultimate NIMBY event (Not In My Back Yard) - there will never be world peace as Humans are war-mongers. We cannot agre on the most basic of things wthout Greed and Corruption entering the fray.

E.g. The main river here in Oz (akin to the Amazon) crosses three states. It is drying up due to chronic over-extraction by farmers at the source. The govt won't force them to stop as they will lose votes - we are talking major Ecological damage as opposed to votes!

Sickening really

:banana :banana

JCYC5
07-24-2003, 07:04 PM
Some will do anything to ensure their source of money remains.

Maro
07-24-2003, 07:07 PM
I know - there is no hope realistically



:Sigh :Sigh :Sigh

tantousha
07-24-2003, 07:34 PM
Originally posted by egarrard
Yes. Do the others in the world mean nothing to you? If you have the power to put a stop to the suffering, don't you have an obligation to?

Yes, but not in the Gung-ho fashion that America did in Iraq. I mean now there is impending chaos. And whatever happend to Afghanistan? Now that everyone is focussing on Iraq, it has become forgotten and last I heard, the Taliban is regrouping and drug smuggling is back up to it's previous levels. America has left Afghanistan high and dry now that it's not good news.

And where ARE those weapons of mass destruction? more like mass oil to me. You know that while panic and chaos was gripping the major cities of Iraq, the American forces were busy getting all the oil wells and pipelines back up and running....hmmm....

Maro
07-24-2003, 07:43 PM
Indeed

As long as all the Soccer Mom's and Right Wingers think that the war is won - here come the votes!

It is interesting what is happenig to Tony Blair now - English people are very aware of things outside the UK (It is the way our news is reported) - he is getting lots of grief now................

tantousha
07-24-2003, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by Maro
Indeed

As long as all the Soccer Mom's and Right Wingers think that the war is won - here come the votes!

It is interesting what is happenig to Tony Blair now - English people are very aware of things outside the UK (It is the way our news is reported) - he is getting lots of grief now................

Yeah I've heard about it...but then so is the BBC. It appears that people are very polarized about it...and that suicide hasn't helped things along very much...talk about a mess and a half. I mean you know it's bad when it makes it into our normally closed off mainstream media.

mrman_3k
07-24-2003, 07:50 PM
You people are incredible, how can you be asking where the WMD are? Do you have any idea about the size of Iraq? In case you did not know, it is a a large country and they had over 8 years to hide them. If you actually expect the military to find them in a few months you have got to be joking. The funny part is that even your boy Bill Clinton said himself the other day that he believes without a doubt that Iraq has or had WMD. Now that is from the horses mouth. He also said that he is very very sure that Iraq tried to buy Uranium from different African nations. So how do you respond to that?

Maro
07-24-2003, 10:16 PM
Too touchy a subject to continue. WMD

I don't think they have them anymore but not going down that road

tantousha
07-25-2003, 12:51 AM
Originally posted by Maro
Too touchy a subject to continue. WMD

I don't think they have them anymore but not going down that road

Yeah...I agree.

These forums, while peaceful at times seem to be very polarized on some of these issues. While I still don't believe there are any, who knows...maybe America is shipping them over there to hide right now :Wink

Maro
07-25-2003, 02:13 AM
All I say is Peace!

It's funny - I am quite a big guy - 186cm/87Kg and people could concieve that I am "Tough" but I am total Pacifist.

There are a lot of angry people out there+loads who would screw anyone over for a buck!

Nasty

:shocking :shocking :shocking

JCYC5
07-25-2003, 07:16 AM
You want uranium (or was it plutonium), go to the desert in China! A frequent dumping zone for them from their nuclear powerplants!

efernandez_98
07-25-2003, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by BJ_M
Just satire -- everyone has the right to thier own opinions - thats what makes america free (at one time). Please Honour & Respect the people in the armed forces always ( i was one myself) Thanks for posting that BJ_M, that had me rolling on the floor laughing. God, I hate politics.

tantousha
07-25-2003, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by efernandez_98
Thanks for posting that BJ_M, that had me rolling on the floor laughing. God, I hate politics.

I LOVE politics...I thrive off of it. That's why I'm always in these debates...though I have to be careful around here, they've been getting out of hand as of recent.

I think I might even go into politics. I'd call myself a Liberal Conservative because I'm a capitalist that doesn't believe in everything the conversatives stand for. I actually like the environment, I don't like the big oil companies or the big 5 auto makers, but I respect them as businesses that need to survive and so on and so forth.

BJ_M
07-29-2003, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by mrman_3k
You people are incredible, how can you be asking where the WMD are? Do you have any idea about the size of Iraq? In case you did not know, it is a a large country and they had over 8 years to hide them. If you actually expect the military to find them in a few months you have got to be joking. The funny part is that even your boy Bill Clinton said himself the other day that he believes without a doubt that Iraq has or had WMD. Now that is from the horses mouth. He also said that he is very very sure that Iraq tried to buy Uranium from different African nations. So how do you respond to that?

Uranium from different African nations was proven to be false .. that was the big snaffu reported everywhere with the state of the union address - you can read about it here (and many other places) http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2003/s900341.htm

now there very well may be WMD now and there certainly with out a doubt were some at one time. But the point of the satire is that if there are now WMD - and if you are on the verge of losing your country to an invading force -- why were they not used (even faked being used)....

the reasons may be simple as they were not in a state of ready-ness or that the chain of command was broken to use them ..

more and likely that nothing was finished ..

the country is large but not that large -- every sq. inch is pretty well covered down to the meter by eyes in the sky .. if they find something - more and likley be found almost in the open as under a stadium or apartment building or office building were construction is more easly hidden by nature of "do it in the open to hide it'

efernandez_98
07-31-2003, 12:35 PM
Politics = Necessary evil

:What the