The Un Is Pushing For Control Of The Internet

[bejohnson]

THE UN IS PUSHING FOR CONTROL OF THE INTERNET
Friday December 5, 2003
Neal Boortz


Yup .. you got it. There is a move afoot to turn the control of the Internet over to a United Nations agency. You can almost imagine the arguments. Right now the names and Internet URLs are assigned and controlled by an American entity. Most of the computing power that drives the Internet is located in the United States. In a situation like this it is easy to develop various conspiracy theories pointing to U.S. efforts to keep undeveloped and developing countries down by denying them full access to the Internet and manipulating Internet access for the benefit of America's friends. It doesn't matter whether these claims are true (they're not) or untrue. It just matters that charges like this resonate with America's haters around the world.

This move was inevitable. For the most part the Internet knows no international boundaries. Someone in Croatia can order a book from a Japanese book store with a few mouse clicks. A villager in Uganda can voice an opinion on a Hollywood chat line in seconds. These capabilities are not going to escape those who would like to establish a one-world government through the UN. In their minds anything with the international reach of the Internet simply has to be regulated and controlled by the United Nations.

And just how does the UN feel about things such as freedom of speech and freedom of expression? Just read the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights. (http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html) Sure, right there in Article 19 it says that "Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression." It also says that everyone has the right "to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." That sounds pretty good, doesn't it? Even if the UN did control the Internet we would be assured of our freedom to seek, receive and impart information, right?

Not so fast. You need to read a little further. Just read Article 29 Section 3. Here, I'll print it for you:

"These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations."

Do you need me to translate? This section says that your freedom of speech, your freedom of expression, and your freedom to "seek, receive and impart information" cannot be exercised if you would interfere with the "purposes and principles of the United Nations," whatever those are.

Remember also that the United Nations has recently determined that some forms of "hate speech" can actually be war crimes. Now ... define "hate speech." And while you're working on that definition remember that liberals, the very people who love the United Nations and who feel that we should turn over our sovereignty to this august organization, would tell you that the very idea expressed on this web page are "hate speech."

Yeah ... UN control of the Internet would certainly be something to look forward too. Not only would web site content end up being censored, but you could also look for other goodies such as a UN imposed sales tax on all Internet transactions to fund UN activities around the world .. activities that usually work against the interests of the United States.

I think we all need to keep an eye on this.

[thephenom]

Like peace on internet???
no more bashing?:Nope

[Silent_Death911]

I can name thousands of sites that would be shut down by the UN because of their wussy-like nature.

Sadly, one of those site would be Real-Life. As many of you know, Greg makes fun of the French alot. I guess that would call for censorship in the UN's eyes.

I would fight this to the bitter end. I will leave the argument with this: We started the Internet. It is our property. If others choose to use it so be it. You don't HAVE to use it. It is 99.9% the US's property because we started it. We have first rule over where it goes and what it does.

End of story.

[Maro]

Originally posted by Silent_Death911
I can name thousands of sites that would be shut down by the UN because of their wussy-like nature.

Sadly, one of those site would be Real-Life. As many of you know, Greg makes fun of the French alot. I guess that would call for censorship in the UN's eyes.

I would fight this to the bitter end. I will leave the argument with this: We started the Internet. It is our property. If others choose to use it so be it. You don't HAVE to use it. It is 99.9% the US's property because we started it. We have first rule over where it goes and what it does.

End of story.

As I have said before - th US created the initial Infrastructure vias the DARPA Net but the Html language is a European creation - Time Bernera-Lee at CERN devised it. Without HTML there would be no web

[thephenom]

Originally posted by Silent_Death911
I would fight this to the bitter end. I will leave the argument with this: We started the Internet. It is our property. If others choose to use it so be it. You don't HAVE to use it. It is 99.9% the US's property because we started it. We have first rule over where it goes and what it does.

errrr......good logic??? :Holy Crap
That's kinda like saying Chinese invented dynamite, paper, and compass, so Chinese should decide where it goes and what it does?
It doesn't make much sense in my opinion.

[thephenom]

Originally posted by Maro
As I have said before - th US created the initial Infrastructure vias the DARPA Net but the Html language is a European creation - Time Bernera-Lee at CERN devised it. Without HTML there would be no web
Until Microsoft buys it out...... :lmao

[ChKFlores]

Originally posted by bejohnson
I think we all need to keep an eye on this.

It's the beginning of the end! The Apocalypse is coming!

But seriously, I second that. This doesn't benefit any country or nation for that matter.

[Artcwolf]

Originally posted by Maro
As I have said before - th US created the initial Infrastructure vias the DARPA Net but the Html language is a European creation - Time Bernera-Lee at CERN devised it. Without HTML there would be no web

Ok, HTML was developed in Europe.

HTML is not the internet. The US develped the vast majority of the technology in use on the internet. If it wasn't for the US work, the internet might not even exist today.

The US developed it, own it, and maintain it. It runs good that way. It needs to be left as is.

[tpenguin]

They can't even enforce their own rules, and now they want to become a world government? Now, who exactly in the UN decides what to do with the Internet? Too many decisions would have to be made to put every one before the general assembly, so a commitee will be made. We should all be aware of the UN's stunning successes when it comes to forming commitees. For example, the rules they have in place have made Lybia the chair of the human rights council. Maybe we could talk Iran into being the chair of the UN Internet Council. The Internet is by its nature uncontrollable, as it should be. It is the right of each nation to decide what laws apply to the Internet, and the duty of each free nation to ensure that no one infringes on its citizens rights to view, transmit, or receive information, regardless of its content. If the UN were to control the Internet, then every country's free speech laws would be overridden by UN policy, in essence stripping every nation on Earth of its sovereignty.

This sort of control would be illegal according to the US constitution, and I assume the same would be true for many countries throughout the world. I doubt that that would work in the UN's favor. The United Nations has long outlived its usefulness, and it is time for it to go quietly into the night as did its predecessor. It certainly cannot be allowed to gain illegitimate power that would allow it to do something entirely different that what it was created to do. The UN would be well-advised to consider that the Internet is quite a dangerous creature to tame. If they try, they will find themselves in a war that they are ill-equipped to fight and cannot possibly win. It is our duty as citizens of the Internet to prevent this sort of tyrrany

[thephenom]

Originally posted by Artcwolf
Ok, HTML was developed in Europe.

HTML is not the internet. The US develped the vast majority of the technology in use on the internet. If it wasn't for the US work, the internet might not even exist today.

The US developed it, own it, and maintain it. It runs good that way. It needs to be left as is.
If you put it that way, then wouldn't u have to give back HTML to Europeans, fiber-optic back to that Chinese guy who invented it, dynamite back to chinese, oh same goes with paper and compass, telephone back to the Canadians.

And it's kinda funny, US developed the internet, but the % of population that uses broadband in US is lowest among the big countries.(Or is it just people obsessed with AOL?)

[Septimus]

this is totaly and absolutey ******ed, doing this is like basically turning the internet into 1 big iraq, u gotta watch what u say there now, otherwise the army would come lookin for yah.

compleat and udder bull crap

[tpenguin]

Originally posted by thephenom
If you put it that way, then wouldn't u have to give back HTML to Europeans, fiber-optic back to that Chinese guy who invented it, dynamite back to chinese, oh same goes with paper and compass, telephone back to the Canadians.

And it's kinda funny, US developed the internet, but the % of population that uses broadband in US is lowest among the big countries.(Or is it just people obsessed with AOL?)

Actually dynamite was invented by an American, whose name I can't remember, who discovered that Nitro-glycerine could be made much less volatile if mixed with an inert clay. The chinese did, however develop gunpowder, but not the smokeless powder we use today, and westerners developed different uses for it. The telephone was invented by the Canadians? Everything I have ever seen has said that Alexander Graham Bell invented it. Are you refering to the device itself, or the telephone system that allows you to dial numbers and such? If you are talking about the device itself, could you link me to a page that says who invented it first?

[Artcwolf]

Originally posted by tpenguin
Actually dynamite was invented by an American, whose name I can't remember, who discovered that Nitro-glycerine could be made much less volatile if mixed with an inert clay. The chinese did, however develop gunpowder, but not the smokeless powder we use today, and westerners developed different uses for it. The telephone was invented by the Canadians? Everything I have ever seen has said that Alexander Graham Bell invented it. Are you refering to the device itself, or the telephone system that allows you to dial numbers and such? If you are talking about the device itself, could you link me to a page that says who invented it first?


Alexander Graham Bell (http://www.alexander-graham-bell.org/alexander-graham-bell/)

Alfred Nobel (http://campus.northpark.edu/history/WebChron/Technology/Nobel.html) -- The Chinese invented blackpowder, not the smokeless powder in use today.

Now, as for fiber optics, the US invented that.

Originally posted at All About Inventors (http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa980407.htm)
In 1961, Elias Snitzer of American Optical published a theoretical description of single mode fibers, a fiber with a core so small it could carry light with only one wave-guide mode. Snitzer's idea was okay for a medical instrument looking inside the human, but the fiber had a light loss of one decibel per meter. Communications devices needed to operate over much longer distances and required a light loss of no more than 10 or 20 decibels (measurement of light) per kilometer.

In 1964, a critical (and theoretical) specification was identified by Dr. C.K. Kao for long-range communication devices, the 10 or 20 decibels of light loss per kilometer standard. Kao also illustrated the need for a purer form of glass to help reduce light loss.

In 1970, one team of researchers began experimenting with fused silica, a material capable of extreme purity with a high melting point and a low refractive index. Corning Glass researchers Robert Maurer, Donald Keck and Peter Schultz invented fiber optic wire or "Optical Waveguide Fibers" (patent #3,711,262) capable of carrying 65,000 times more information than copper wire, through which information carried by a pattern of light waves could be decoded at a destination even a thousand miles away. The team had solved the problems presented by Dr. Kao.

In 1975, the United States Government decided to link the computers in the NORAD headquarters at Cheyenne Mountain using fiber optics to reduce interference.

In 1977, the first optical telephone communication system was installed about 1.5 miles under downtown Chicago, and each optical fiber carried the equivalent of 672 voice channels.

Today more than 80 percent of the world's long-distance traffic is carried over optical fiber cables, 25 million kilometers of the cable Maurer, Keck and Schultz designed has been installed world wide.

[thephenom]

Originally posted by tpenguin
Actually dynamite was invented by an American, whose name I can't remember, who discovered that Nitro-glycerine could be made much less volatile if mixed with an inert clay. The chinese did, however develop gunpowder, but not the smokeless powder we use today, and westerners developed different uses for it. The telephone was invented by the Canadians? Everything I have ever seen has said that Alexander Graham Bell invented it. Are you refering to the device itself, or the telephone system that allows you to dial numbers and such? If you are talking about the device itself, could you link me to a page that says who invented it first?
Sorry, that's what I meant, gunpower...not dynamite....chinese invented it for fireworks. It was Nobel who made it into dynamite I think, he made tonnes of money off it, felt bad for all the violence, started the Nobel Prize with his money. Alexander Bell was scottish, did most of his work in Canada, but US Congress recognizes Antonio Meucci as inventor of telephone who was an Italian.
But anyway, so are you saying if you figure out another use of a previous invented invention, then it's yours? I think different people have found a different use for the Internet since it was invented by the US Military.

[Seraph]

I don't care who has the internet so long as it's kept the way it is.

I don't want the UN trashing all my pron bookmarks :Nope

[JCYC5]

They'd better not... do they have the legal power to take control of it though?

[XxFaeryOnFirexX]

How can you control the intangable. it is like saying... I own the rights to Mandarin (language).... even tho I don't speak it or anything.

Bah to them. I am sure there will be a mass uprising if this occurs... one that will not be good for them.

[Artcwolf]

Originally posted by thephenom
But anyway, so are you saying if you figure out another use of a previous invented invention, then it's yours?

No, that's not what I was trying to say.

What I tried to say is that the US created it, built it up, others added to it, now someone else wants control over it? Sorry, control over the internet is the responsiblility of the US, the current owners of the internet.

Everyone can use it, no problem, I just have issues with turning over control of it to someone else. Especially the U.N.

[Artcwolf]

Originally posted by XxFaeryOnFirexX
How can you control the intangable. it is like saying... I own the rights to Mandarin (language).... even tho I don't speak it or anything.

The U.S. has most of the control over the standards used on the internet, what new technologys should be used universally, and how things should be applied.

If you're referring to control over what type of content is on the internet, that is almost impossible to control.

[XxFaeryOnFirexX]

yep... control of what content is on the internet is what I am talking about.