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egarrard
12-30-2003, 04:19 AM
A dissenting student hounded for his views (http://www.washtimes.com/national/20031229-105705-1963r.htm)
Tim Bueler recently received some unusual advice: His principal and a campus police officer suggested that he stay home from his California high school for a few days.

They feared for his safety because Tim, the founder of Rancho Cotate High School's new Conservative Club, said he had received threats from other students after writing an article for the club newsletter calling for a crackdown on illegal immigration.

The 17-year-old junior says that stance inspired threats from which teachers have refused to protect him. Some faculty members even started a public campaign against his group, which seeks to promote "the pillars of the Bible, patriotism and conservative beliefs as balance to the mostly liberal viewpoints of teachers," according to its newsletter, "The Conservative Agenda."

In a telephone interview, Tim said he's been threatened at least three times by Hispanic students who call him "white boy" and "racist." One boy said he was going to "find someone" to beat up Tim. In two of those instances, Tim said two faculty members stood by and did nothing to help him. Most recently, Tim said, he was confronted by a dozen Hispanic boys, who blocked him from walking down the hallway. "They said, 'You're a racist,' and I said, 'Are you guys going to let me through?' " Tim said. "So I ducked into a classroom and told the teacher what was happening, and said, 'Can you help me?' And she said, 'No. Get out of here.' "

Earlier, he said he was eating lunch in a classroom when about seven Hispanic students surrounded him. Worried for Tim's safety, his father, Dennis Bueler, said he asked for help from a teacher who was also in the room. "The teacher told him, 'When you say things like that, you've got to expect that things like this are going to happen. Why don't you go out the back door?' " Mr. Bueler said in recounting the incident.

Tim said teachers have also joined in the name-calling. One called Tim a Nazi, while another described the club as "a bunch of bigots." In a parody of the newsletter, biology teacher Mark Alton called on students to "take a stand against the neoconservative wing-nuts who call themselves Americans."

Tim thought about leaving the school, located in Rohnert Park about an hour north of San Francisco, and then made his decision: No way. "They said, 'It's in your best interest not to go to school,' " Tim said. "I said, 'Well, why? What have I done wrong?' " The club has invited students to call its "liberal assault hot line" to report whether they've been "verbally assaulted for being conservative." With about 50 members, the club has hosted speakers from the Eagle Forum and National Rifle Association.

Forty school staff members signed a letter to the Santa Rosa Press Democrat calling on the Conservative Club to back up its accusations that students are being indoctrinated. "They've made all these sweeping statements about liberal teachers warping the curriculum, but as a science teacher, I'd like to see some evidence," said Mr. Alton, who co-authored the letter. Mr. Alton said he was also disturbed by Tim's article on illegal immigration, which says, "Liberals welcome every Muhammad, Jamul and Jose who wishes to leave his Third World state and come to America. No one at the high school opposes the formation of the Conservative Club," Mr. Alton said. "What bothers me is the extreme views that border on racism or homophobia, the negative tone, and the hot line that calls teachers 'traitors.' "

Tim admitted that his zeal sometimes gets the best of him. He apologized for the "Muhammad" remark, saying, "I made a mistake, but I'm not racist." Club adviser Bernadette Tucker stepped down after Tim printed the newsletter without allowing her to edit it first. Rancho Cotate Principal Mitchell Carter and district officials did not return several phone calls.

Mr. Bueler said he's ready to bring in lawyers if the school cannot protect his son. "The police don't think they were real threats, but I disagree. He shouldn't have to be threatened every day," the father said.

It's been a while since I was in high school, but I can't imagine that things have become so out of control that the teachers and administration couldn't be counted on for help. Am I just out of touch?

splashtech
12-30-2003, 04:37 AM
Well that would never happen in my old school or my college here in the UK.

Maro
12-30-2003, 04:57 AM
Originally posted by splashtech
Well that would never happen in my old school or my college here in the UK.

Why not? There are enough numpty's in the UK to do something like that

:Sigh

wazman
12-30-2003, 07:52 AM
Unfortunately, nowadays there are teachers that only look out for number one... It's sad, but it's true. Teachers are supposed to ensure a safe learning environment for all students, but it's not that way any more.

Airmack
12-30-2003, 09:28 AM
because they are liberal morons.

my quess is the teachers are the same as the students.

an easy way to solve migrents is gun towers. lots of em...

Artcwolf
12-30-2003, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by egarrard
A dissenting student hounded for his views (http://www.washtimes.com/national/20031229-105705-1963r.htm)


It's been a while since I was in high school, but I can't imagine that things have become so out of control that the teachers and administration couldn't be counted on for help. Am I just out of touch?

California seems to have issues when it comes to dealing with illegal aliens. A few years ago they tried to crack down on the problem and the law was shot down faster than a duck in a shooting gallery.

Liberals is all I can say. They did not feel it was right to deny the illegals medical care and education, paid for by our tax payer dollars, for free.

I highly doubt you will see those kinds of problems here in Texas...at least for the next couple of years. The other issue is, with the hispanic population booming, it will probably become more difficult to crack down on the illegal immigration problems.

The citizens of the country are being raped by the illegals. It is really sad.

Airmack
12-30-2003, 11:14 AM
the sadder part of it is that others stand up for em....

I dont have beef with other people from mexico or cuba but its not my fault that there country is crap. And if i was them id prob try to get into america my self but I all ready told you what I think

gun towers.

t00lb0x
12-30-2003, 12:39 PM
California has a problem with immigration because it is so close to the boarder and the thing about drivers liceanse. Anyone over the age of 18 can get a permit and then get a drivers liceanse. By getting a drivers liceanse, they can vote in the state of CA.

Its hard to find a balance between control of the boarder. There are too many views, and too many "solutions" to the problems.

The thing that is shocking about this is how the teachers wouldn't help him. I believe they don't get paid enough money to care. Bah, budget issues.

splashtech
12-30-2003, 12:47 PM
Originally posted by Maro
Why not? There are enough numpty's in the UK to do something like that

:Sigh

Hahaha! I would have to agree with you there. But I dunno..... it just seems to silly and far fetched to happen. Even with the numptys.

egarrard
12-30-2003, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by t00lb0x
The thing that is shocking about this is how the teachers wouldn't help him. I believe they don't get paid enough money to care. Bah, budget issues. It's not a budget issue at all. If the teachers are doing that because they aren't paid enough, they should be jailed for violating their contracts. And if the union tries to strike, fire them all and NEVER let them come back. New teachers couldn't do a worse job than what's being done now.

The problem in that school was that none of the teachers gave a darn about the students they were teaching. They had forgotten what teaching should be about. Impartiallity to all viewpoints, not political partisanship.

Nurses don't get paid as much as teachers, but they still do their jobs. Police and firemen don't get paid as much, but they still do their jobs. What is the problem with the teachers?

"Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach." That never looked more true than now.

Artcwolf
12-30-2003, 11:57 PM
Originally posted by t00lb0x
California has a problem with immigration because it is so close to the boarder...

And Texas doesn't???

Vantz
12-31-2003, 12:47 AM
the kid was only voicing his opinon, and yeah... so what if it offended a bunch of people. I try not to offend others myself, but I mean come on. Why should he catch a whole crapload of treats and whatnot just for speaking his mind on illegal, yes ILLEGAL immigration? I think the whole systems is FUBAR, but then and again.... that's my view. Hell, if I were there I'd back the kid up. He doesn't deserve to get the crap beat outta him. I mean hey, it's not like he tried to kill someone... or rape a student there or anything that drastic. Oh well, people aren't gonna change and there is nothing I can do.

egarrard
12-31-2003, 01:00 AM
Originally posted by Artcwolf
And Texas doesn't??? Proves my point about teachers doing their jobs...

egarrard
12-31-2003, 01:02 AM
Originally posted by Vantz
Oh well, people aren't gonna change and there is nothing I can do. You just did... :thumb

neutralz
12-31-2003, 02:44 AM
nah such things dont really occur here, we practice racial harmony

tanman_sg
12-31-2003, 03:29 AM
I go to an Australian school in Singapore, and because of some issues with foriegn people in asia, for example the Bali bombing(killed around 170, indonesia),
we now have a bunch of Gherka's standing around the school all day with their SMG's and big-@ss knives

hehe...dont want'ta mess with them.

splashtech
12-31-2003, 04:15 AM
Originally posted by tanman_sg

we now have a bunch of Gherka's standing around the school all day with their SMG's and big-@ss knives


Wow! That's gotta be pretty cool! :bounce

tanman_sg
12-31-2003, 04:59 AM
Originally posted by splashtech
Wow! That's gotta be pretty cool! :bounce


well, it's nice to know that if some bloke wrapped in explosives claming that Allah is great, tries to get near, he'll probably get shot up.

suppose that i really take no notice of them anymore.

neutralz
12-31-2003, 06:40 AM
Originally posted by tanman_sg
I go to an Australian school in Singapore, and because of some issues with foriegn people in asia, for example the Bali bombing(killed around 170, indonesia),
we now have a bunch of Gherka's standing around the school all day with their SMG's and big-@ss knives

hehe...dont want'ta mess with them.

yeah gurkhas are great mercenaries. and guards. i've seen a couple of instances of basic military training for gurkhas and i was very impressed.

a few of them were on route march in full battle order with a gpmg hanging off their neck/shoulder.

that is pretty impressive.

XxFaeryOnFirexX
12-31-2003, 10:07 AM
ummm.... u wanna know why teachers do not intervene.

THEY GET NO PROTECTION.

My mom is a teacher. She got hit by students before. She wanted to do something but... she was either turned down or was told NOT to do anything.

It pisses me off. Yes... some are a-holes tho.

This stuff that happened above pisses me off too.

we do need more control over the border. Its rather annoying when you live in a city where you have to learn spanish..... then english. yeah! Statistics say that in a few years, caucasian people will be the minority in charlotte. Charlotte is supposed to turn into another Miami.

Hey... legal immigration is fine. Illegal makes me upset. I really don't mide who is here as long as they contribute. ^_^

Maro
01-02-2004, 05:42 AM
Originally posted by neutralz
yeah gurkhas are great mercenaries. and guards. i've seen a couple of instances of basic military training for gurkhas and i was very impressed.

a few of them were on route march in full battle order with a gpmg hanging off their neck/shoulder.

that is pretty impressive.

Rumour has it the Argintineans surrendered en mass when they heard the Ghurkas and their Khukris were coming!
:D :D

Maro
01-02-2004, 05:43 AM
Originally posted by neutralz
yeah gurkhas are great mercenaries. and guards. i've seen a couple of instances of basic military training for gurkhas and i was very impressed.

a few of them were on route march in full battle order with a gpmg hanging off their neck/shoulder.

that is pretty impressive.

Rumour has it the Argentineans surrendered en mass when they heard the Ghurkas and their Khukris were coming!
:D :D

residentevil3
01-02-2004, 02:25 PM
Of course it would. In the US the Mexican people are the No.1 Illegals here, heck its manditory for us to learn spanish in schools yet they dont have to learn english, all our machins that have displays like ATM's or some other stuff have spanish as option 1 and enlgish as 2.

I call companies for tech support or something spanish is always on thier, they breed like rabbits so the us doesnt have to export them back to where they came from, most of them are trouble makers or thief's.

My brother is 10 he has a spanish kid in his class who stole all his Yu-gi-oh cards (i got them back tho) and he says he steal from stores and 7-11's when no one is looking and he thinks is funny.

I really do think the US would be better off to close the borders from Mexico, heck now 1,000's of people have Hepatitus A , because they had a family dinner in resturraunts, they at scalllions which came from mexico, they used human waste to water the plants and they give it to us.

Can u imagine a Family of 4, all getting Hepatitus A then die a few weeks later all because mexica is to cheap to use clean water and not waste to water the plants.

Did ya here that Walmart hd like over 5,000 Illegal Imarants from mexico working thier.

I tell ya its sickaning i think. The only people i really hate in this world is them. Yes u can call me Predudice or whatever but its true i am. Going through school and being bullied by them didnt make anything better either.