Interested in Phoenix Gold subs/amps, need input

[KaNaDiAnIcEmAn]

was looking at the Titanium 800.1 amp

their website says 1000W X 1(2 ohm) various say its only 800W, kinda weird usualy the name is the wattage but anyways, 1000W amp


and wanted 2 12" subs although i dont know which ones from Phoenix gold, i want the ones with sweet lights that wont break me and sound amazing


my friend has one 500watt octane amp and a octane 500 watt peak 12" sub , would two 1000watt peak subs with a 1000watt amp be alright? i mean it would hit pretty damn hard no matter what.

[Artcwolf]

Not too bad of an amp, you will get 800w RMS to the subs @ 2 Ohm.

The one's with the blue LED behind them are the Octane-R line of subs. That is PG's baseline subs and you will be feeding them more wattage than what they can officially take.

If you can tolerate a little higher price tag and a 10" sub, Titanium Ti 10 (http://www.sounddomain.com/sku/PHOTI10) is on sale. Grab two while you can and wire them in parallel. That will put your amp into 2 Ohm mono.

I promise, if you build the box correctly, you will bump...loud.

[KaNaDiAnIcEmAn]

i want a low bass, 12's will give me that a little better


how much we talkin to 2 12's titaniums,


trying for about 3k, amp, lcd reciever, 2 12's


stock mids dun really care for em

i want 12's tho 10's are too small for me and they give pretty good even if they were to be underpowered.

love my lows, listen to housemusic so ya, 10's would be nice for some tight bass but i jus want somethin im feelin most of the time.

[Artcwolf]

Phoenix Gold Titanium Ti 12 is the one you want and how much it will cost you will depend on where you buy it. Do not get the 4 Ohm DVC, you want the 4 Ohm SVC. This is so you can wire it in parallel and get the impedance of the amp to 2 Ohms. If you get DVC you will have to wire it in series which will put your amp @ 4 Ohm (if you wire two DVC 4 Ohm subs in parallel the impedance at the amp will be 1 Ohm).

You are probably looking at dropping about $400 - $600 just in subs if you go with the PG Ti 12's.

Take a look at the Polk Audio MM2124 Series (http://www.sounddomain.com/sku/POLMM2124) of sub. Right in line with price and wattage for the amp you've chosen.

Just take your time in getting the box together, making sure you follow the guidelines for airspace when it comes to ported or sealed. That box will make or break the sound of the sub...almost to the point of being more important than the sub itself.

[Artcwolf]

I like the Pioneer DEH-P7500MP (http://www.sounddomain.com/sku/PIODEHP7500MP) CD/MP3 receiver. Kickass quality HU.

[Artcwolf]

I forgot you're in Canada. I'm not sure who is a good retailer is up there. Just make sure that you purchase from an autherized retailer of whatever you're purchasing.

Otherwise, you might not get any warranty. :eek:

Sound Domain ships up to Canada but I'm not sure how bad the duty/taxes are. From what has been said in the forums, it's pretty steep. :Crying

[KaNaDiAnIcEmAn]

yes the hu i want a flipup lcd dvd player one, good mp3 selection and such

about 1k on the HU

2K on amp subs/box/cables


gonna make a custom box


the dimensions will change i just dont know how many cubic feet is needed for 2 12's

[Artcwolf]

Originally posted by KaNaDiAnIcEmAn
yes the hu i want a flipup lcd dvd player one, good mp3 selection and such

about 1k on the HU

2K on amp subs/box/cables


gonna make a custom box


the dimensions will change i just dont know how many cubic feet is needed for 2 12's

Head unit w/ LCD and DVD is going to be expensive...a good one will run over $1000.00. The Pioneer AVH-P6500DVD is $1300.00 US dollars...and that is on-line from an autherized dealer. It also opens you up to a bigger loss if your vehicle is broken into and more things that can go wrong with it. If you do go that route, get a Pioneer.

I'd save the cash and if you really want it, add a dvd player later, hide it well, place lcd's behind the visors. The Pioneer DEH-P9400MP (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/detail/0,,2076_4039_37910,00.html) will let you do that, has the motorized faceplate you want, organic EL display, removable faceplate, XM ready, and all the other little goodies to show off. Honestly, I'd recommend you reduce the amount you spend on the HU and put more into the wiring (Streetwires), amps, speakers, and subs.


As for the box, use WinISD Pro (http://www.linearteam.dk/default.aspx?pageid=winisdpro) to design it. If you need help with the program let me know and I'll direct you to a good resource on how to use it properly. Custom boxes take a lot of time to build and you are better off if you have a table saw to work with. It MUST be built correctly or any sub you put into it will sound like ass. If you do not have the proper resources, I recommend you design it, then have a professional build it.

I've seen people take $300.00 systems and make them sound like 4k systems. I've also seen kiddie thumpers take $3000.00 systems and make them sound like they were purchased at the local Wal-Mart.

[KaNaDiAnIcEmAn]

what would you reccomend for 12's, runnin from a 1000watt amp,


headunit can be kept down, lcd is very expensive and i can save like 600-700 bucks if i just get a norm one with some cool vizualizations

as for wires ill probly go with 100amp kit, 8guage speaker, 4 gauge power, theres lots of kits that have connections for hu, power, ground, speaker and such so thats no big worry.

i want a HU that has blue glow, cause thats jus the best, remote, mp3 play, 3 preout 4v+, 50+watt per channel

about 1k on amp, 1k 2 12's

probly go with PG 800.1 and two 12's titaniums and just underpower them.

[KaNaDiAnIcEmAn]

the 800.1 is 1000W x1 at 2ohm, a DVC 4 ohm setup with 2 subs wont work

although the 1000.2 is 1000W X1 at 4ohm bridged, so 2, 4ohm DVC subs will work better with it

also says it is stable at 1 ohm although i duno what power it will be pushing

[Artcwolf]

Originally posted by KaNaDiAnIcEmAn
the 800.1 is 1000W x1 at 2ohm, a DVC 4 ohm setup with 2 subs wont work

although the 1000.2 is 1000W X1 at 4ohm bridged, so 2, 4ohm DVC subs will work better with it

also says it is stable at 1 ohm although i duno what power it will be pushing

Don't push it to 1 ohm.

Do two SVC 4 ohm (single voice coil) 12's. That way, in parallel, you will be running 2 ohm at the amp.

If you can sport the cost on two of the PG Ti 12's, go for it. They won't be that much underpowered. If you build the box correctly, you will be bumping hard.

[Artcwolf]

Forgot to attach pic. Two SVC's wired in parallel.

[KaNaDiAnIcEmAn]

ok think i got er all figured out


Pioneer DEH-P9400MP
Phoenix Gold Titanium 800.1 Amp
Phoenix Gold Titanium 12" Subwoofer X 2

as for the box im going to find out what i can do for cubic feet and design from there.

thx for input


what u say on dynomat, worth it, placement?

[Artcwolf]

Originally posted by KaNaDiAnIcEmAn
ok think i got er all figured out


Pioneer DEH-P9400MP
Phoenix Gold Titanium 800.1 Amp
Phoenix Gold Titanium 12" Subwoofer X 2

as for the box im going to find out what i can do for cubic feet and design from there.

thx for input


what u say on dynomat, worth it, placement?

Good choices.

Dynomat is kickass. There is also, Second Skin (http://www.secondskinaudio.com/secondskin.html) that works extremely well. What kind of vehicle are you installing this in?

[KaNaDiAnIcEmAn]

to be determined :D

trying to find a 2 door hatchback that i can work for


just tryin to find out how much the amps/subs are gonna be so i can set apace to what i gotta work for


will be probly some honda or somethin. or i might find a jeep or SUV

also how about 2 15's on the 1000W amp, they would be underpowed although they would pound pretty hard and look MONSTER in the back

[Artcwolf]

Originally posted by KaNaDiAnIcEmAn
to be determined :D

trying to find a 2 door hatchback that i can work for


just tryin to find out how much the amps/subs are gonna be so i can set apace to what i gotta work for


will be probly some honda or somethin. or i might find a jeep or SUV

also how about 2 15's on the 1000W amp, they would be underpowed although they would pound pretty hard and look MONSTER in the back

12's will hit hard. 15's need a fairly large box which I think will take it's toll after a while and I don't think you will notice a real difference between the 12's and the 15's.

Remember your amp is 800w RMS, not 1000w.

Don't get a jeep or everything will change. Those suck for audio systems. After you get your vehicle, we can talk about boxes and sound dampening. Until then, everything is just speculation.

[neutralz]

how about this..

http://www.thielaudio.com/THIEL_Web/Pages/subwo1.html

[Jozone]

I guess its time for me to offer some input :D (love car audio)

As for the HU... FORGET the dvd screen, typically you are sacrificing SQ for your LCD, unless you break the $2k mark... go for an Alpine 9815 (requires 10ga 12v), which will probably start to be discounted because of the new product lines. As for subs, go for JL, Alpine Type R, or Polk/Momo. I hope you're gonna have a hell of an alternator in this vehicle you find cause when you're running 1000w+ RMS on a regular old alternator you could find yourself in trouble. If someone attempts to sell you on the idea of caps, realize that youre still gonna need some power to supply those. As for the amps pheonix is a respected brand, depending on how much money you have tho you should check out a 10W7/ JL1000.1 and having it professionally installed. Personally Im running mostly cheap stuff.. Alpine 9805... Polk MM12, and an Alpine MRD-m500, entire setup was just over $1000 including the cables. Now I'm looking to replace all my mids with some type r's. Wow, sorry for the mindless car rambling.

[KaNaDiAnIcEmAn]

ya dad has lots of trucks and stuff for work and a 120amp alternator is pretty cheap and easy as pie to install, dual alternator would be easy but not nessecary, i just wont drive at night :D


i was lookin at the idea of JLs, no one has, havnt seen/heard any duno who deals here so no clue

probly be going with pg, no lcd waste of cache right now.


3k max right now,

maybe u guys should make me a system for 3k :D, hu, amp, subs,wire kit

want 2 12's, 15's would be askin for trouble

[Artcwolf]

Jozone has made some good points. JL Audio's 1000.1 (http://www.jlaudio.com/amps/10001.html#) is awesome. I do like the Alpine Type-R (http://www.alpine-usa.com/html/D2_n_1_n_n.html) subs; however, if you are going to use that PG amp, the Type-R's only come in DVC so it won't really work for what you want to do. You could use the Alpine Type-S (http://www.alpine-usa.com/html/D2_n_1_n_n.html) in SVC. The problem is that you will have two subs only capable of handling 400w of power and you will be feeding them 800w.

My suggestion still stands, get your vehicle, then we'll talk about workable idea's. Until that time, keep shopping, asking questions, and keep your options open.