Your Political Philosophy

[Tazmanian Devil]

Hope this isn't a repost....
http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

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[wazman]

Interesting... I didn't think I would fall where I did.

[eire1274]

Always considered myself to be a moderate.

[ChKFlores]

Here's mine...interesting though.

[egarrard]

This ought to scare some of y'all... :rofl2

[Silent_Death911]

Right-o

[bejohnson]

Here's mine

[wazman]

Mostly Libertarians and centrists here... So how come the libertarian guy never wins the election? :)

[blpeterson]

Originally posted by wazman
Mostly Libertarians and centrists here... So how come the libertarian guy never wins the election? :)

Because most Libertarian candidates are space cadets.:Nope

If the Libertarian Party would run some candidates that really represented the mianstream Libertarian beliefs I think the political climate in this country would change drastically.

My political philosophy:

[egarrard]

Originally posted by wazman
So how come the libertarian guy never wins the election? :) Drugs.

[blpeterson]

Originally posted by egarrard
Drugs.

That's a good point Ed. The drug war is asinine, IMO we can never win it. In my personal opinion we should legalize drugs and tax them. The prices would fall, the black market would disappear and the drug dealers would be a thing of the past. We could spend one third the amount on rehab for drug users that we do on the War on Drugs and soon the demand for legal drugs would diminish also. But as long as the public is led around by the nose it will never happen.:Nope

[The Saint]

here is mine........

:)

[Maro]

Originally posted by blpeterson
That's a good point Ed. The drug war is asinine, IMO we can never win it. In my personal opinion we should legalize drugs and tax them. The prices would fall, the black market would disappear and the drug dealers would be a thing of the past. We could spend one third the amount on rehab for drug users that we do on the War on Drugs and soon the demand for legal drugs would diminish also. But as long as the public is led around by the nose it will never happen.:Nope

Interesting - I love your views but how does this correlate with your duties? Do you have to put your "Navy" Hat on when you go to work?

That response would have surprised you know who:rofl2 (he would have put you down as an Authoritarian or Right Conservative!)

It is bizarre that Drug Laws have only been in affect since the beginning of the 20th Century - remember Laudaum? Freud was a Coke head.

It is the Nanny state dictating to us what we can do. In the UK the Government is trying to make people drink less. According ot them we are becoming As Hogarth portrayed us again. Another example IMHO of an out of touch politician. If they spent more time in their constituencies they would understand that most peopl live such mundane lives with little prospects that a few drinks ona friday or saturday is the only thing that get's them through the working week. Sad but true.

As for the Poll, I took it on another forum and ended up being a Left Liberal. The questions are too short and shallow to correlate a correct result

[blpeterson]

Originally posted by Maro
Interesting - I love your views but how does this correlate with your duties? Do you have to put your "Navy" Hat on when you go to work?

That response would have surprised you know who:rofl2 (he would have put you down as an Authoritarian or Right Conservative!)

It is bizarre that Drug Laws have only been in affect since the beginning of the 20th Century - remember Laudaum? Freud was a Coke head.

It is the Nanny state dictating to us what we can do. In the UK the Government is trying to make people drink less. According ot them we are becoming As Hogarth portrayed us again. Another example IMHO of an out of touch politician. If they spent more time in their constituencies they would understand that most peopl live such mundane lives with little prospects that a few drinks ona friday or saturday is the only thing that get's them through the working week. Sad but true.

As for the Poll, I took it on another forum and ended up being a Left Liberal. The questions are too short and shallow to correlate a correct result

Notice I stated that was my personal opinion. I have and will continue to follow orders in the drug interdiction operations that our laws require. Being a Libertarian with the ability to think and reason for myself though tells me that the War on Drugs is never ending. The demand for the drugs must be addressed and that can only be done through education and rehab. It's interesting that Ed (my Snugglebear:) ) is probably a more conservative Libertarian than I (not by much) and he is adamantly against the waste of our money on the War on Drugs. According to him it's making the U.S. a virtual police state in some areas.

Yep, there are a few people that might be surprised at Ed’s and my political views.:thumb :KICK ASS

[Maro]

Originally posted by blpeterson
Notice I stated that was my personal opinion. I have and will continue to follow orders in the drug interdiction operations that our laws require. Being a Libertarian with the ability to think and reason for myself though tells me that the War on Drugs is never ending. The demand for the drugs must be addressed and that can only be done through education and rehab. It's interesting that Ed (my Snugglebear:) ) is probably a more conservative Libertarian than I (not by much) and he is adamantly against the waste of our money on the War on Drugs. According to him it's making the U.S. a virtual police state in some areas.

Yep, there are a few people that might be surprised at Ed’s and my political views.:thumb :KICK ASS

I though so!

It is a colossal waste of money - the official figures for Cannabis use in the UK are 20% of young people. THe real figure is more like 60 %. They cannot win.

[wazman]

Every time they try to go after one person anyway, 5 more spring up. Drug use and abuse has been a problem since the beginning of humanity, and I don't see it going away any time soon.

Drifting a little off topic here...

[egarrard]

Originally posted by wazman
Drifting a little off topic here... It's about Libertarianism...

My only problem with their policy is that it goes too far. Most of the drugs in the "War on Drugs" could be legalized. But the Libertarians want to legalize them all. You have to look at public safety. Drug abuse is not just an individual's problem. Their actions under the influence can affect others. While driving, for example. People are stupid for the most part. Or at least most will tend to do something stupid if given the chance. The laws have to consider that.

[bejohnson]

Originally posted by egarrard
It's about Libertarianism...

My only problem with their policy is that it goes too far. Most of the drugs in the "War on Drugs" could be legalized. But the Libertarians want to legalize them all. You have to look at public safety. Drug abuse is not just an individual's problem. Their actions under the influence can affect others. While driving, for example. People are stupid for the most part. Or at least most will tend to do something stupid if given the chance. The laws have to consider that.

Actually the Libertarian view is if a behavior does not affect anyone else the law should be mute on the subject. Driving under the influence does affect other people so that activity should be illegal and it is. There is a need for laws but controlling personal behavior that does not affect anyone else is not one of those needs. Only when that behavior rises to the point of impacting society or endangering others should the laws take effect.

[tantousha]

Here ya go...

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I'm big for personal freedoms like gay marriage and privacy from government...but I'm also big on free trade and big business.....

[Maro]

Originally posted by tantousha
Here ya go...

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I'm big for personal freedoms like gay marriage and privacy from government...but I'm also big on free trade and big business.....

Free trade just makes the rich richer and the poor poorer.
:Sigh

[Maro]

Originally posted by tantousha
Here ya go...

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I'm big for personal freedoms like gay marriage and privacy from government...but I'm also big on free trade and big business.....

Free trade just makes the rich richer and the poor poorer.
:Sigh

I have no problem with Big Business as long as it keeps it's house in order and stops lobbying politicians

[mrman_3k]

Do you realize why businesses lobby congress? There are many reasons and a big part of it is that congress is general, but often times they need to make specific laws. To do that, they need experts. Where do you get economic experts, from the economy. End of story. Do things sometimes become crooked - absolutely. Can we do anything - not really.

[Maro]

Originally posted by mrman_3k
Do you realize why businesses lobby congress? There are many reasons and a big part of it is that congress is general, but often times they need to make specific laws. To do that, they need experts. Where do you get economic experts, from the economy. End of story. Do things sometimes become crooked - absolutely. Can we do anything - not really.

That is why the use of the word Democracy in a Capitalist society is a fallacy - at least be honest. No-one cares anyway

[egarrard]

Originally posted by Maro
Free trade just makes the rich richer and the poor poorer.
:Sigh What's wrong with that? :What the

[Maro]

Originally posted by egarrard
What's wrong with that? :What the

Are you being serious?

[wazman]

Originally posted by egarrard
What's wrong with that? :What the

Ask the poor.

[Maro]

Originally posted by wazman
Ask the poor.

Ditto

I don't care if Rich people want to get richer - but not at the expense of poorer people and countries. Not on My watch anyway

[SavesNFGDay]

well, I don't think My answers will surpise many...

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kidna fits me exactly.. :p...

although the things I voted Maybe on(vs. Just a flat out yes) in the top part was the part about open borders, Rightnow I'm pretty torn on that, since we have many many people out of work right now, and when you get the people who come into this country and then take up normal low paying jobs that people don't want, but yet now people want them it creates some problems. also, on the Drug Laws, while yes, I believe A lot of the war on drugs is a bunch of hoo-hah, I think there should be strict penalties for putting someones life in danger through the use of them, same for alcohol...After one DUI, if you get another you should lose your license for a 1 yr. minimum...(maybe some sort of time inbetween law, like 20 years)or, say some mother is using drugs around her kid, that's something that shouldn't be acceptable, especially if she's using money she gets from the government to purchase them(problem is although welfare helps many people, it's not good news to show people actually succeeding through welfare programs, its far more ratings friendly to show the negative sides of it </3 you John Stossel) oh well, glad to see that most are libertarian, vs. the evil ones(the right, oh how I hate the Right)
in the second part I voted Maybe(Vs. No) one only the top one, that buisnesses and farms should operate without governent subsidies...Hey, who took a flight in the past year?? Guess what made that flight affordable....Although I think the Whole Ethanol thing is a crock, same with the reasons corn syrup is used in coke/pepsi, Vs. Sugar...while I'm a fan of slight subsidies for the family farm, Huge subsidies for Factory farms Just is not something I'm a fan of...

[egarrard]

Originally posted by SavesNFGDay
well, I don't think My answers will surpise many...

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz/s080_010.gif

kidna fits me exactly.. :p...

although the things I voted Maybe on(vs. Just a flat out yes) in the top part was the part about open borders, Rightnow I'm pretty torn on that, since we have many many people out of work right now, and when you get the people who come into this country and then take up normal low paying jobs that people don't want, but yet now people want them it creates some problems. also, on the Drug Laws, while yes, I believe A lot of the war on drugs is a bunch of hoo-hah, I think there should be strict penalties for putting someones life in danger through the use of them, same for alcohol...After one DUI, if you get another you should lose your license for a 1 yr. minimum...(maybe some sort of time inbetween law, like 20 years)or, say some mother is using drugs around her kid, that's something that shouldn't be acceptable, especially if she's using money she gets from the government to purchase them(problem is although welfare helps many people, it's not good news to show people actually succeeding through welfare programs, its far more ratings friendly to show the negative sides of it </3 you John Stossel) oh well, glad to see that most are libertarian, vs. the evil ones(the right, oh how I hate the Right)
in the second part I voted Maybe(Vs. No) one only the top one, that buisnesses and farms should operate without governent subsidies...Hey, who took a flight in the past year?? Guess what made that flight affordable....Although I think the Whole Ethanol thing is a crock, same with the reasons corn syrup is used in coke/pepsi, Vs. Sugar...while I'm a fan of slight subsidies for the family farm, Huge subsidies for Factory farms Just is not something I'm a fan of... Interesting. It sounds like you voted the exact same way I did on those questions, and feel the same way about those issues... :rofl2

[SavesNFGDay]

eh, this is definetly a libertarian biased test though...It completely excludes the religious right which is a strong part of the Republican party, I'm sure there's better tests out there...let me see what I can find... Lets see what people get on this quiz, eh? http://madrabbit.net/webrabbit/quizshow.html

I scored a 6... Guess I'm pretty liberal...

[wazman]

I got 20 on that quiz... Smack dab in the middle.

[bejohnson]

Originally posted by SavesNFGDay
eh, this is definetly a libertarian biased test though...It completely excludes the religious right which is a strong part of the Republican party, I'm sure there's better tests out there...let me see what I can find... Lets see what people get on this quiz, eh? http://madrabbit.net/webrabbit/quizshow.html

I scored a 6... Guess I'm pretty liberal...

That test like the other one is biased. The first test is definitely biased for the Libertarian. The wording of the questions and the limited multiple choices for answers bias the second to either totally liberal or totally conservative.

A true test to find ones political standing would have to be an essay type test where a person would have to formulate his own answer to each question asked. In this last test too many of the questions were one extreme or the other. In most things in real life there are many things to consider and there are no right or wrong answers to many of the issues facing us today.

The majority of people in this country are probably Libertarian in nature but the Libertarian Party is so disorganized that they have never had a viable candidate or platform. A true Libertarian would try to limit the role of government while at the same time making sure that the issues were treated fairly for the majority of the people. No issue will ever be 100% fair for everyone but a true leader will address each and every problem and issue with the conviction to do what is morally and lawfully correct and that any course of action will serve the best interest of the majority of the people. That being said a leader will also make sure that the rights of the minority are not violated.

The form of government that we have in the U.S. is a Representative Democracy and is correctly termed a Federal Republic. This means that the people elect representatives to the House of Representatives to do the business of the people. The Senators in the Senate used to be selected by the state legislatures to represent the state's business in the Federal government. The 17th amendment changed that to allow the popular election of the members of the Senate by the people. This has skewed the way the original government was supposed to work and in my opinion has led to many of the problems we have now.

Under our Constitution any power that was not specifically give to the Federal government was reserved to the states. The 17th amendment has led to the skewing of the states rights and powers and led to a much stronger Federal government that was ever envisioned by our founding fathers. The 17th amendment needs to be appealed for reasons that I will touch on later.

Now we have a bill that has been introduced into the House by Representative Ron Lewis (R-KY) to change the way the Constitution is amended. Representative Lewis wants to remove the requirement of two-thirds of the states ratifying an amendment and simply allow for amendments by a two-thirds majority vote in the House and Senate. This action is absurd and further removes the control of government from the people.

Now to bring my ranting to a point, this is my political philosophy. The government should have as little to do with our day to day lives as possible. One of the Federal government's roles is to insure the equal and fair treatment of each person by making sure there is no discrimination of any kind.

The second role of the Federal Government is to maintain national security and to this end the government should maintain our Defense Department as second to none.

The third role of the Federal government is to referee disputes between the states. This is why the Senate members should be appointed by the state legislatures.

The only taxes the Federal government should levy are those necessary to carry out the above three roles.

Every other issue or problem should be handled at the state level where the people would have a much greater input into the way their state is run.

This to me is what Libertarian beliefs should encompass. The Federal government has grown way to large and the states no longer have any effective say to how the states are run. This has led to the people losing many freedoms and rights and should be on everyone's list to rectify.


Oh BTW I scored 33 on the second test. Believe me I'm not that conservative.

[JCYC5]

I'm with Ed...

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[egarrard]

26 on the second test. Most I would have picked in the middle, not yea or nay...