More Harsh Words from Bill Cosby

[Silent_Death911]

More Harsh Words from Bill Cosby (http://entertainment.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=162979)

~The Associated Press

CHICAGO -- Bill Cosby went off on another tirade against the black community Thursday, telling a room full of activists that too many black men are beating their wives while their children run around not knowing how to read or write.

Cosby made headlines in May when he upbraided some poor blacks for their grammar and accused them of squandering opportunities the civil rights movement gave them. He shot back Thursday, saying his detractors were trying in vain to hide the black community's "dirty laundry."

"Let me tell you something, your dirty laundry gets out of school at 2:30 every day, it's cursing and calling each other n------ as they're walking up and down the street," Cosby said during an appearance at the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition & Citizenship Education Fund's annual conference.

"They think they're hip," the entertainer said.

"They can't read; they can't write. They're laughing and giggling, and they're going nowhere."

He also had harsh words for black men who don't have jobs and are angry about their lives.

"You've got to stop beating up your women because you can't find a job, because you didn't want to get an education and now you're (earning) minimum wage," Cosby said. "You should have thought more of yourself when you were in high school, when you had an opportunity."

In his remarks in May at a commemoration of the anniversary of the Brown v. Board of Education desegregation decision, Cosby denounced some blacks' grammar and said those who commit crimes and wind up behind bars "are not political prisoners."

"I can't even talk the way these people talk, 'Why you ain't,' 'Where you is' ... and I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk," Cosby said then. "And then I heard the father talk ... Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth."

Cosby elaborated Thursday on his previous comments in a talk interrupted several times by applause. He castigated some blacks, saying that they cannot simply blame whites for problems such as teen pregnancy and high school dropout rates.

"For me there is a time ... when we have to turn the mirror around," he said. "Because for me it is almost analgesic to talk about what the white man is doing against us. And it keeps a person frozen in their seat, it keeps you frozen in your hole you're sitting in."

Cosby lamented that the racial slurs once used by those who lynched blacks are now a favorite expression of black children. And he blamed parents.

"When you put on a record and that record is yelling n----- and you've got your little 6-year-old, 7-year-old sitting in the back seat of the car, those children hear that," he said.

Cosby appeared Thursday with the Rev. Jesse Jackson, founder and president of the education fund, who defended the entertainer's statements.

"Bill is saying let's fight the right fight, let's level the playing field," Jackson said. "Drunk people can't do that. Illiterate people can't do that."

Cosby also said many young people are failing to honor the sacrifices made by those who struggled and died during the civil rights movement.

"Dogs, water hoses that tear the bark off trees, Emmett Till," he said, naming the black youth who was tortured and murdered in Mississippi in 1955, allegedly for whistling at a white woman. "And you're going to tell me you're going to drop out of school? You're going to tell me you're going to steal from a store?"

Cosby also said he wasn't concerned that some whites took his comments and turned them "against our people."

"Let them talk," he said.
Man, he sure is on a roll with his 'black bashing'. He should probably chill out and not be as harsh. Not all black minority people act this way, why should they be generalized?

[Sidebinder]

None of the black people I know are like most of the stuff he says, mainly straight up nice people. I think he should mind his own business, not everyone has it as good as him. I live in a black neighbor hood, look up (Riveria, Florida) all my neighboors are nice as could be. :)

[bejohnson]

None of the black people I know are like most of the stuff he says, mainly straight up nice people. I think he should mind his own business, not everyone has it as good as him. I live in a black neighbor hood, look up (Riveria, Florida) all my neighboors are nice as could be. :)

Cosby is talking about the mentality of underachieving and blaming all the ills of the blacks on the whites. He has many supporters from members of both races. Jessie Jackson was there with him last night.

There is a definite reason to the points he is driving home. If a black kid or young adult wants to succeed in society he must be able to blend in with that society. To do that one must have an adequate education and be able to speak and comport themselves in an acceptable manner. Cosby is not saying that blacks shouldn’t be black but that they need to present themselves in a more realistic and acceptable fashion.

Here in the south where we have a very large black population one sees the results of the conditions that Cosby is referring to everyday. We also see the flipside of the coin in that we have a huge population of professional and educated blacks that are working their butts off to get ahead and really resent being labeled by the actions of the people that Cosby was talking about.

Actually Cosby's message applies not only to blacks but also to whites and every other race or ethnic group. You can have your identity but you must be able to function and meet society's standards and goals. To meet the requirements of today’s society one must have an education and skill. It’s not cool to sit around and blame one’s failures on another person or group of people. As Cosby said, to do that dishonors the work and memory of the many people, both black and white that have fought and died to end racism and prejudice in the world. The actions of those that are the subject of Cosby’s remarks tend to just exacerbate the problem and not help eliminate it.

[Artcwolf]

Cosby is talking about the mentality of underachieving and blaming all the ills of the blacks on the whites. He has many supporters from members of both races. Jessie Jackson was there with him last night.

There is a definite reason to the points he is driving home. If a black kid or young adult wants to succeed in society he must be able to blend in with that society. To do that one must have an adequate education and be able to speak and comport themselves in an acceptable manner. Cosby is not saying that blacks shouldn’t be black but that they need to present themselves in a more realistic and acceptable fashion.

Here in the south where we have a very large black population one sees the results of the conditions that Cosby is referring to everyday. We also see the flipside of the coin in that we have a huge population of professional and educated blacks that are working their butts off to get ahead and really resent being labeled by the actions of the people that Cosby was talking about.

Actually Cosby's message applies not only to blacks but also to whites and every other race or ethnic group. You can have your identity but you must be able to function and meet society's standards and goals. To meet the requirements of today’s society one must have an education and skill. It’s not cool to sit around and blame one’s failures on another person or group of people. As Cosby said, to do that dishonors the work and memory of the many people, both black and white that have fought and died to end racism and prejudice in the world. The actions of those that are the subject of Cosby’s remarks tend to just exacerbate the problem and not help eliminate it.

I was going to reply but this response is exactly what I was going to say.

I want to emphasize that Mr. Cosby's speech can/does/will apply to ALL backgrounds.

This world is getting caught up in a horrid cycle of poor parenting and low morals. :Nope

[Sidebinder]

I was going to reply but this response is exactly what I was going to say.

I want to emphasize that Mr. Cosby's speech can/does/will apply to ALL backgrounds.

This world is getting caught up in a horrid cycle of poor parenting and low morals. :Nope

I agree with your post and bejohnson. I guess he is trying to get his point across that most if not all the world is going to ****.

[wazman]

All Cosby's saying is "Hey - quit blaming someone else for your problems and start looking at your part in them."

I agree 100%.

[bejohnson]

All Cosby's saying is "Hey - quit blaming someone else for your problems and start looking at your part in them."

I agree 100%.

Uh Waz, You, Artcwolf and I are agreeing again. If Erie and Egarrard agree it will be snowing in Hell.

[wazman]

Uh Waz, You, Artcwolf and I are agreeing again. If Erie and Egarrard agree it will be snowing in Hell.

I know... This is getting eerie... :)

[wazman]

Oh, for the love of...

Sorry...

[wazman]

Sorry. Sorry.

I'll never do this again.

[wazman]

Cleaning up.

[wazman]

Maybe WazLady is right...

:KICK ASS

[bejohnson]

Maybe WazLady is right...

:KICK ASS

You learned something from being raised by a teacher. You just keep doing it to you get it right. Or are you trying to catch Eferz? :KICK ASS :KICK ASS :KICK ASS

[Bobenis]

Aw...I thought he was gonna say that Jello pudding is good for you whilst wearing one of his fabulous sweaters! Damn it!

[Tivon]

I find it slightly ironic in that Cosby has made a living as a comedian. And now suddenly every Blackman should take him serious? When I think of Cosby I think of his jokes about feeding kids chocolate cake. He has gone from being sweet and funny into something old and bitter now. Then again, did most of you forget his son Ennis Cosby was shot dead while fixing a flat tire off the San Diego Freeway?

[bejohnson]

I find it slightly ironic in that Cosby has made a living as a comedian. And now suddenly every Blackman should take him serious? When I think of Cosby I think of his jokes about feeding kids chocolate cake. He has gone from being sweet and funny into something old and bitter now. Then again, did most of you forget his son Ennis Cosby was shot dead while fixing a flat tire off the San Diego Freeway?

Most people don't realize that Cosby is properly addressed as Dr. William H. Cosby Jr. He holds a Doctorate in Education (Ed.D) from the University of Massachusetts. His doctoral dissertation is entitled, "The Integration of Visual Media via Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids into the Elementary Schools Culminating as a Teacher Aid to Achieve Increased Learning." He is a member of the Omega Psi Phi Fraternity.

His wife Camille O. Cosby (née Camille Olivia Hanks) is a direct descendant of Nancy Hanks, Abraham Lincoln's mother. She is also the mother of five children with Cosby.

Cosby is one of the most respected people in show business and probably in the world in general. He doesn't make statements such as this and his previous statement without prior thought and facts.

I don't consider him bitter. He is just pointing out the major problem and impediment to the black community solving its most pressing problem. That problem is the oppressive poverty brought on by the lack of education and the attitude of many of the black kids and young adults. He and other black leaders have rightfully assessed that the failure of the black community to progress is no longer the oppression by the whites but the lack of purpose and self-esteem in the black community. He rightfully recognizes that education is the only hope for blacks to succeed.

The only way this is going to happen is that the parents of the kids have got to change. The status quo is not cutting it. Only through proper parenting will education become the force that is needed in the black community to effect change. Proper parenting will also teach the proper attitude to the kids and give them self-esteem. It does no good for kids to come home to a rat infested, filthy house just because the parent(s) are too lazy or addicted to some drug to care. The cycle has to be broken and education and proper parenting are the keys to accomplish that task.

[ChKFlores]

Most people don't realize that Cosby is properly addressed as Dr. William H. Cosby Jr. He holds a Doctorate in Education (Ed.D) from the University of Massachusetts. His doctoral dissertation is entitled, "The Integration of Visual Media via Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids into the Elementary Schools Culminating as a Teacher Aid to Achieve Increased Learning." He is a member of the Omega Psi Phi Fraternity.

His wife Camille O. Cosby (née Camille Olivia Hanks) is a direct descendant of Nancy Hanks, Abraham Lincoln's mother. She is also the mother of five children with Cosby.

Cosby is one of the most respected people in show business and probably in the world in general. He doesn't make statements such as this and his previous statement without prior thought and facts.

I don't consider him bitter. He is just pointing out the major problem and impediment to the black community solving its most pressing problem. That problem is the oppressive poverty brought on by the lack of education and the attitude of many of the black kids and young adults. He and other black leaders have rightfully assessed that the failure of the black community to progress is no longer the oppression by the whites but the lack of purpose and self-esteem in the black community. He rightfully recognizes that education is the only hope for blacks to succeed.

The only way this is going to happen is that the parents of the kids have got to change. The status quo is not cutting it. Only through proper parenting will education become the force that is needed in the black community to effect change. Proper parenting will also teach the proper attitude to the kids and give them self-esteem. It does no good for kids to come home to a rat infested, filthy house just because the parent(s) are too lazy or addicted to some drug to care. The cycle has to be broken and education and proper parenting are the keys to accomplish that task.

Another good point Ed. Bill Cosby is only bitter about the struggles of African Americans and the way that they are being portrayed as. In fact, this would apply to every ethnicity.

[Tivon]

"I don't consider him bitter. He is just pointing out the major problem and impediment to the black community solving its most pressing problem. That problem is the oppressive poverty brought on by the lack of education and the attitude of many of the black kids and young adults. He and other black leaders have rightfully assessed that the failure of the black community to progress is no longer the oppression by the whites but the lack of purpose and self-esteem in the black community. He rightfully recognizes that education is the only hope for blacks to succeed."

I didn't ask for your thoughts of my thinking of Cosby, as being bitter. For this reason only to me bitter might mean something entirely different than the played out thoughts you just whipped up. It’s like you have been anticipating a number of moral sledges and posting at just the right times? Please find another way to get those ideas out without tramping on my words and sending the wrong messages. My post is as it is and nothing more that what I’ve posted. If you feel the need to carry on with new points or views to a subject based off my words, that is your right, but I will complain the next time I feel like you're putting a foot in my mouth. Are we clear? :rolleyes:

The stress is running high right now.. :(

[bejohnson]

I didn't ask for your thoughts of my thinking of Cosby, as being bitter. For this reason only to me bitter might mean something entirely different than the played out thoughts you just whipped up. It’s like you have been anticipating a number of moral sledges and posting at just the right times? Please find another way to get those ideas out without tramping on my words and sending the wrong messages. My post is as it is and nothing more that what I’ve posted. If you feel the need to carry on with new points or views to a subject based off my words, that is your right, but I will complain the next time I feel like you're putting a foot in my mouth. Are we clear? :rolleyes:

The stress is running high right now.. :(

Quoting you I find it slightly ironic in that Cosby has made a living as a comedian. And now suddenly every Blackman should take him serious? The black community does take Cosby serious. And that is the reason he is speaking out. He want's to change the future of the black community. He, as is many others, is tired of the stereotypical portrayal of blacks because of the actions of certain elements of the black community. He wants every black child to have the equal opportunities that are available to all now.

Now as for you, I was not singling you out; in fact I was building upon my previous post. If you can't take a rebuttal to one of your statements then you shouldn't wade into the conversation. You need to take a chill pill.

[Tivon]

Bejohnson,

Do you find my post in anyway humorous? Did my post look like a comedic joke to you! I guess you also lack the needed skills to listen and comply? Let me spell this out for you once again, back off me! I've asked you once before and it’s now time to respect those wishes.

And please don’t reply and dribble on with an annoying post trying to sound smarter with me. This will only irritate me more and lose any admiration I may have for you up to this point in time.

[bejohnson]

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Totally Ignored

[Tivon]

Now as for you, I was not singling you out; in fact I was building upon my previous post. If you can't take a rebuttal to one of your statements then you shouldn't wade into the conversation. You need to take a chill pill.


It did feel like slinging, but I know it was not intentionally directed, don’t get your heart broken, as it just struck a nerve is all. As I stated before it’s a stressful night here at work. I got to thinking about some of my words. You know maybe I should have said; "Now every white guy should take him serious?" Since from my white mans perspective this is what I see.

[eire1274]

Ignoring the "how dare you disagree with me" rant that just happened...
Uh Waz, You, Artcwolf and I are agreeing again. If Erie and Egarrard agree it will be snowing in Hell.
Well, darn it, I agree, too.
"Bill is saying let's fight the right fight, let's level the playing field," Jackson said. "Drunk people can't do that. Illiterate people can't do that."
This stuns me. Jesee Jackson, preaching personal responsibility? This, more than anything, leaves me speechless.
Aw...I thought he was gonna say that Jello pudding is good for you whilst wearing one of his fabulous sweaters! Damn it!
I notice that here, we have a very conservative viewpoint, expressed intelligently and logically, and with an undeniably true message. And all you can do is crack a joke.

[bejohnson]

It did feel like slinging, but I know it was not intentionally directed, don’t get your heart broken, as it just struck a nerve is all. As I stated before it’s a stressful night here at work. I got to thinking about some of my words. You know maybe I should have said; "Now every white guy should take him serious?" Since from my white mans perspective this is what I see.

Cosby's crusade strikes a nerve with me. I have had to teach black and white kids how to use proper English, how to dress, how to act and how to think simply because their parents were so damn sorry they couldn't be bothered with raising the child they brought into this world.

Being from Atlanta I have had the opportunity and pleasure of talking with several of the civil rights movement leaders and icons. What I have learned in my life from them and from my own experiences has changed me.

I was raised in the racist south during the fight for equality for the blacks. I remember the Birmingham bombings and demonstrations; I remember the marches in Selma. (I lived in Selma for a year), I remember the local marches in the Georgia town I lived in, I also have witnessed the virulent hatred and violence that occurred during the 1960s.

I was raised to look down upon the black person as inferior. In the past 30 years I have become enlightened to not only the plight of the blacks caused by the racism that still exist but to the greater problem of the attitudes and habits of the black community.

What concerns me is that the attitude that is so prevalent in the black community is not going away and it is spreading to the white and other ethnic communities. This "thing" that Cosby is referring to is like a cancer. It has to be dealt with or it will ruin many more lives.

We can do something though. We as a society can say enough is enough. We have to put our foot down and say kids must be afforded every chance and opportunity available and the parents or guardians have got to assume the responsibility of seeing that it happens. The problem can't be fixed without finding the root cause and addressing it. While environment plays a role in the development of a young person, the parents set the stage for role models and morals. This is the area that has the most influence. All of the kids today that are basically growing up without adult supervision are doomed to live with what they learn on the streets. This has got to change. That change has to come from within.

[Maniacmous]

While I agree wholeheartedly with what Bill Cosby has said (both times), I still feel that the problem does not just lie with the parents either. We really need to do something about the modern role models that kids are looking up to.

I mean honestly...perfect example is musicians (and yes...I'm sure you all know what's coming). In the 50's - clean cut, upstanding, well mannered stars ruled the airwaves...those values were held amongst most of the youth. In the 60's - Flower child bands...flower children. Now look at today...we have an entire genre of stars (Rap or R&B) that have made millions and millions of dollars without speaking proper English, by promoting abuse and objectivity of women, drug use, and...the big one I hate...Bling Bling (the waste of money...ahem....I mean purchase) of overtly flashy goods that cost far too much, have no true practical use versus less flashy alternatives rather than something smart or at least more respectable like investing (and yes, I'm generalizing a bit here...give me a bit of space.) Now, I understand personal taste allows for flashy...after all, we don't all wear clothes made of burlap sacks, and I can understand that...but...come on...there are limits to what I can defend, and I certainly can't defend 22inch chrome rims (especially when I see people around my area...at least 2 or 3 with those 22inch rims on a car...where seriously...the rims are worth more than the car)....no sense in it.

When young people see this fast road to the proverbial "fat cash"....why would they try to find respectable jobs...why would they develop the respect and skills necessary for anything but that which they see and idolize most (however unlikely it is they will attain it for themselves).

So yes...a lot of the blame falls to the parents for not actually raising their kids...for not being the proper role model themselves or monitoring what they intake...but seriously, some of these stars need to realize the position they are in and clean themselves up a bit. Get the gold and diamonds out of your mouth, get those monster rims and tiny tires off your car...come on!

[Bobenis]

I notice that here, we have a very conservative viewpoint, expressed intelligently and logically, and with an undeniably true message. And all you can do is crack a joke.

Oh boo hoo. :Yea right Take a joke once in a while. You just love an opportunity to jump on me don't you? Oh well, I don't care, jump away. :Roll Eyes

[egarrard]

I notice that here, we have a very conservative viewpoint, expressed intelligently and logically, and with an undeniably true message. And all you can do is crack a joke.Ignore Bob. He's so out of touch on most things, it's not worth arguing. I figure that if he wants to live in a fantasy world, so be it.

I have to take issue with your characterizing Cosby's statements as conservative, though. I would just say they come from a "realist" point of view, with no politics involved. Bill's right on the money. If you act and look like an adult, you'll be treated like one. If you act and talk like an uneducated boob, that's just how people will treat you. Welcome to life.

Bobby, if you think the gangsta lifestyle is bad for black kids, you ought to see how goofy the white kids down here look running around trying to mimic it. Oh, and you should see their "Fast and Furious" interpretations. Four-door sedans with big aluminum wings on the trunks, with only 1 in 10 having complete bodywork or paint. I'm still trying to get a picture of the Krylon flat black "Stealth" Honda.. :rofl2

[Bobenis]

Ignore Bob. He's so out of touch on most things, it's not worth arguing. I figure that if he wants to live in a fantasy world, so be it.

LOL...fantasy world. I will say again....

Oh boo hoo. Take a joke once in a while. You just love an opportunity to jump on me don't you? Oh well, I don't care, jump away.

I guess that statement applies to you as well. Cool.

[wazman]

I notice that here, we have a very conservative viewpoint, expressed intelligently and logically, and with an undeniably true message. And all you can do is crack a joke.

I think this did go a little too far. I crack a joke all the time in serious threads, and no one says anything. Let's let this go.

[Bobenis]

I think this did go a little too far. I crack a joke all the time in serious threads, and no one says anything. Let's let this go.

Agreed. Funny cause that is exactly what I was thinking last night. You do it and no one gives a bad comment but if I do... :( Oh well, my rep is tarnished with certain individuals on here. I am glad to see you remain nuetral through it all Waz. Good on ya M8.

[Artcwolf]

While I agree wholeheartedly with what Bill Cosby has said (both times), I still feel that the problem does not just lie with the parents either. We really need to do something about the modern role models that kids are looking up to.

I mean honestly...perfect example is musicians (and yes...I'm sure you all know what's coming). In the 50's - clean cut, upstanding, well mannered stars ruled the airwaves...those values were held amongst most of the youth. In the 60's - Flower child bands...flower children. Now look at today...we have an entire genre of stars (Rap or R&B) that have made millions and millions of dollars without speaking proper English, by promoting abuse and objectivity of women, drug use, and...the big one I hate...Bling Bling (the waste of money...ahem....I mean purchase) of overtly flashy goods that cost far too much, have no true practical use versus less flashy alternatives rather than something smart or at least more respectable like investing (and yes, I'm generalizing a bit here...give me a bit of space.) Now, I understand personal taste allows for flashy...after all, we don't all wear clothes made of burlap sacks, and I can understand that...but...come on...there are limits to what I can defend, and I certainly can't defend 22inch chrome rims (especially when I see people around my area...at least 2 or 3 with those 22inch rims on a car...where seriously...the rims are worth more than the car)....no sense in it.

When young people see this fast road to the proverbial "fat cash"....why would they try to find respectable jobs...why would they develop the respect and skills necessary for anything but that which they see and idolize most (however unlikely it is they will attain it for themselves).

So yes...a lot of the blame falls to the parents for not actually raising their kids...for not being the proper role model themselves or monitoring what they intake...but seriously, some of these stars need to realize the position they are in and clean themselves up a bit. Get the gold and diamonds out of your mouth, get those monster rims and tiny tires off your car...come on!

Once again, the music stars and sports hero's were raised by someone. Apparently their parenting skills were a bit lackluster.

It will come down to parenting skills as you can't ban rap music or sports figures from buying "bling bling". The parents to carry all of the blame. They are the only one's that can break the cycle.

Someone somewhere forgot to teach todays society that you must earn what you get out of life. Life's rewards are earned, not just given. You could describe todays society as a Microwave Society. We want it and we want it, now.

I do agree with you on the fact that these "stars" are not something I like seeing as "hero's" or role models.

[Maniacmous]

Once again, the music stars and sports hero's were raised by someone. Apparently their parenting skills were a bit lackluster.

It will come down to parenting skills as you can't ban rap music or sports figures from buying "bling bling". The parents to carry all of the blame. They are the only one's that can break the cycle.

Someone somewhere forgot to teach todays society that you must earn what you get out of life. Life's rewards are earned, not just given. You could describe todays society as a Microwave Society. We want it and we want it, now.

I do agree with you on the fact that these "stars" are not something I like seeing as "hero's" or role models.

Alright, I'd have to say I totally agree with you pretty much. These stars...you're right...their parents' parenting skills prob. were lackluster...but that doesn't mean the kids have to do everything like their parents did...someone has to draw the line...we need the kids with some common sense (its my generation...and I'll be the first to admit we're loaded with dimwits!) and we need some adults to realize that they are in positions of power, and need to get some common sense and decency there too! One generation can't clear this mess up, we need adults and younger people to both take a look at this (not even all of either, just some) and start to change...once the movement starts...the revolution will soon follow, and about time.