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bejohnson
07-03-2004, 01:23 PM
An Iraqi urban legend (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20040701.shtml)
Robert Novak
July 1, 2004


WASHINGTON -- On ABC's "This Week" program Sunday, host George Stephanopoulos picked up a chestnut that's been bouncing around Washington for three months and tossed it in National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice's lap. Why, he asked, did the United States pass up chances to kill terrorist Abu Musab Zarqawi in 2002 and 2003? "We never had a chance to get Zarqawi," Rice replied. That exchange tells a lot about this year's presidential politics.

Why would Stephanopolous bring up another network's March broadcast of an obscure story never reported elsewhere? It has been spread by Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton to imply President Bush held back the attack in order to gain support for invading Iraq. Unless Rice's flat disavowal stops it, this threatens to become an urban legend used against Bush in the next 17 weeks.

One CIA source puts this aborted Zarqawi raid in the same category as Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9-11," which spreads such false information as George W. Bush's conspiring to get Osama bin Laden's relatives out of the U.S. after the terrorist attacks. The persistence of these stories sets the level of discourse about Bush's Iraq policy during a presidential campaign.

On March 2, terrorist attacks brought the death toll attributed to Zarqawi to over 700. Jim Miklaszewski, the longtime Pentagon correspondent for NBC, reported multiple U.S. chances to "wipe out" Zarqawi and his bioweapons lab. The chances were missed, according to unnamed "military officials," because "the administration feared destroying the terrorist camp in Iraq would undercut the case against Saddam."

Sources quoted by name were Roger Cressey, who worked closely with Richard Clarke in the Clinton White House (staying on for a while in the Bush administration), and Brookings Institution analyst Michael O'Hanlon, who supports John Kerry for president. Cressey was quoted as saying Bush officials were "more obsessed" with overthrowing Saddam Hussein than fighting terrorism.

Rep. Vic Snyder, a Clintonite Democrat from Arkansas, at a hearing the next day read the NBC report in full and asked Assistant Defense Secretary Peter Rodman whether "that story is true or not." Rodman said he never heard anyone oppose an attack because "it would interfere with a plan to go after Saddam," adding that an attack on a bioweapons lab "could have strengthened our case."

Sen. Clinton on the next day, March 4, called the NBC report "troubling" and asked Gen. John Abizaid about it. The Central Command commander in chief replied, "I would be very surprised to find out that we had a precise location on Zarqawi." Unsatisified, the senator asked for "further investigation."

On March 9, Hillary Clinton asked CIA Director George Tenet about the story. Tenet: "I don't know that Zarqawi was up there at the time, Senator. And I don't know that the report accurately reflects the give-and-take of the decision-making at the time." In CIA-speak, that was a "no."

Paul Begala, my colleague on CNN's "Crossfire," picked up the scent. A former Clinton White House aide and tireless Bush-basher, Begala put bluntly what Snyder and Clinton only hinted. On May 14, Begala said the terrorist leader's "mere presence" in Iraq "was used to justify Mr. Bush's invasion of Iraq." On June 23, he said that thanks to Bush's emphasis on making "a case for invading Iraq," Zarqawi was permitted "to live and to kill and to kill and to kill."

Stephanopoulos, like Begala a former Clinton White House political aide, took up the story on ABC Sunday but without overt accusations against the president. Unlike the cautious responses by the Defense and CIA officials, Rice's flat denial might make it more difficult to keep the urban legend going through the campaign.

Jim Miklaszewski told me he stands by his story, and pointed to House Armed Services Committee hearings April 21. Congressman Snyder brought the NBC story up to retired Gen. John Keane, and asked why the attack was rejected. "No, I can't help you," the former Army acting chief of staff replied. "We were looking at it as early as the Fourth of July weekend before we commenced activities against Iraq." That confirmed an attack on Zarqawi's camp was considered. It did not confirm the Iraqi urban legend spread by Hillary Clinton and friends.

©2004 Creators Syndicate, Inc.

This is a very poorly thought out ploy by the Democrats. If it were true that Bush held back on the chance to kill terrorist Abu Musab Zarqawi in 2002 and 2003 in order to build his case for invading Iraq, this would mean that there was a definite connection between the Iraqi government of Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda. Zarqawi has been named as the link between Iraq and al Qaeda. He has been involved with terrorist activities for many years and is thought to be one of Osama bin Laden's chief supporters.

On the other hand if there was no credible link between Iraq and al-Qaeda before the war then this entire scenario of the U.S. using his presence as an excuse to invade is nothing but a false accusation to confuse the general public.

It has to be one way or the other. If Zargawi was cooperating with Iraq this is proof that there was al-Qaeda involvement in Iraq and the U.S. was justified in the attacks. If he wasn't there then why say he was? Come on Democrats, it can't be both ways.

Bobenis
07-03-2004, 02:03 PM
Mmmm...I am sure they can use the delay of Bush attacking Bin Laden and how he is still free and roaming. Bin who you say...oh ya, that guy!! The one who organized the 9/11 attacks. We forgot about him! Oh well...

More biased dribble IMO.

bejohnson
07-03-2004, 02:32 PM
Mmmm...I am sure they can use the delay of Bush attacking Bin Laden and how he is still free and roaming. Bin who you say...oh ya, that guy!! The one who organized the 9/11 attacks. We forgot about him! Oh well...

More biased dribble IMO.

Explain your logic to come to that conclusion.

eire1274
07-03-2004, 04:43 PM
Bobenis, you keep hitting, over and over, that the US has "forgotten about" Bin Laden. I think this a mistaken assumption.

The CIA currently has no less than three task forces going through field intelligence reports, continuing to try to locate Bin Laden. I believe the US Marine Corps special forces are providing the "ground power" for hard searches of potential locations.

Just because the media has chosen to give the topic a back burner priority does not in any way indicate that that this issue is not still being persued with all due dilligence.

wazman
07-03-2004, 04:49 PM
Again with the "Where's Waldo?" Where's Osama? Where's the WMDs?

Where're my car keys?

eire1274
07-03-2004, 04:53 PM
On the table next to the sofa.

Bobenis
07-03-2004, 04:56 PM
OK..this may be true but why all the manpower and force focused solely on Iraq then? I think many have forgotten what the "War on Terrorism" is all about now. Yes ok WMD (none found) but the war was not started for this reason, it was on terrorism and now it seems the war is over what the cold war was all about in the first place. Missiles and bombs and who has them and can't have them. If the ideal of Iraq is to liberate the people from a tyrant, why not help, with all the money, to liberate those in Africa from the AIDS epidemic? Or liberate those which are homeless within the confines of the US?

I just think Iraq has been like this for ages and all of a sudden, since all the military were in that vicinity, they decided to take care of business in Iraq. That is something that many in the world are still dumbfounded over. Every excuse for this Iraqi occupation has fell through and one can't help but see other adgendas at hand for this war. That of which are killing innocents and leaving destruction.

You can agree with it and side with it but I am sorry that I cannot. You know my stance and it will not budge.

eire1274
07-03-2004, 05:06 PM
You can agree with it and side with it but I am sorry that I cannot. You know my stance and it will not budge.
And I'll continue to try to sway you, anyway. "You don't know the power of the Dark Side."

Bobenis
07-03-2004, 05:16 PM
And I'll continue to try to sway you, anyway. "You don't know the power of the Dark Side."


THis is what so many of the US has been told to believe. Many can see past the propaganda but many cannot. Those are the ones who are sided with the dark. The dark side that is the Bush regime of lies.

Ask yourself why you think this way and believe it? If there was no media, where would you base your strong assumptions and beliefs? What Bush tells you as truth or? Think about that. 9/11 affected the world but revenge is not the answer nor is death = death. As I will keep saying my mantra: Violence breeds violence and pessimism is the seed of failure.

eire1274
07-03-2004, 05:33 PM
THis is what so many of the US has been told to believe. Many can see past the propaganda but many cannot. Those are the ones who are sided with the dark. The dark side that is the Bush regime of lies.
Um... LOL! Okay, I was the one saying that line. I was quoting Darth Vader, because he was such a compelling and charismatic bad guy. Looks like you completely misinterpreted what I said.

Bobenis
07-03-2004, 05:43 PM
LOL. Naw, I just elaborated on it. :Blah

Darth Bush.

eire1274
07-03-2004, 05:45 PM
No, it's Darth Eire1274. I apparently serve Emperor Bush.

wazman
07-03-2004, 05:55 PM
I like Bush.

It's just a different kind of bush.

:KICKASS :devil :cool_shad :smokin

Artcwolf
07-03-2004, 06:08 PM
I like Bush.

It's just a different kind of bush.

:KICKASS :devil :cool_shad :smokin


Personally, I like bush slick....

Oops....sorry...wrong thread. :Roll Eyes

Bobenis
07-03-2004, 07:28 PM
I personally like THAT area paved with smooth asphalt. Burn the bushes and keep it barren. Wasteland with a nice valley is prefered.

egarrard
07-03-2004, 08:14 PM
Wasteland with a nice valley is preferred.So THAT'S what's going on there around the Euphrates... :)

abdul2048
07-03-2004, 08:33 PM
This is a very poorly thought out ploy by the Democrats. If it were true that Bush held back on the chance to kill terrorist Abu Musab Zarqawi in 2002 and 2003 in order to build his case for invading Iraq, this would mean that there was a definite connection between the Iraqi government of Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda. Zarqawi has been named as the link between Iraq and al Qaeda. He has been involved with terrorist activities for many years and is thought to be one of Osama bin Laden's chief supporters.

On the other hand if there was no credible link between Iraq and al-Qaeda before the war then this entire scenario of the U.S. using his presence as an excuse to invade is nothing but a false accusation to confuse the general public.

It has to be one way or the other. If Zargawi was cooperating with Iraq this is proof that there was al-Qaeda involvement in Iraq and the U.S. was justified in the attacks. If he wasn't there then why say he was? Come on Democrats, it can't be both ways.

That is a very nicely done bit of logic Mr. Johnson. :thumb

How is your lovely wife? I see from the posts here that she is at sea. I hope she is safe in her endeavors. May Allah be with her and her crew.

Abdulla T. Hadem

wazman
07-03-2004, 08:40 PM
I have a theory that...

Oh, this is a good one.

I have a theory.

It's cool.

bejohnson
07-03-2004, 09:05 PM
That is a very nicely done bit of logic Mr. Johnson. :thumb

How is your lovely wife? I see from the posts here that she is at sea. I hope she is safe in her endeavors. May Allah be with her and her crew.

Abdulla T. Hadem

She is well and very busy. I was just speaking with her and she sends her regards. She may be able to check the forum in about 3 or 4 days. At the moment all that's available are low quality phone circuits due to the work load on communications.

Thanks for the kind words. It's nice to see you on the forum again. Best wishes to your wife and family. I see from another thread you may be returning to Iraq. God speed and may you be safe.

bejohnson
07-03-2004, 09:06 PM
I have a theory that...

Oh, this is a good one.

I have a theory.

It's cool.
What are you babbling about Wazzy? Did a certain tennis player pay you a visit?