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3dGameMan
09-17-2004, 11:30 AM
Bike U-locks can be picked with a pen: ~source (http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1095415882741&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968705899037)

http://www.thestar.com/images/thestar/img/040917_bikelock_250.jpg

Kryptonite promises more secure version of traditional lock


ASSOCIATED PRESS

BOSTON — You don't have to be the Man of Steel to open a Kryptonite bike lock.

Faster than a speeding bullet, word is spreading across the Internet, through cyclist hangouts and into bike shops that all it takes to open a circular-key lock, like the one on the famous U-shaped Kryptonite-brand lock, is a ballpoint pen.

The U-shaped Kryptonite — consisting of a steel curve with a locking horizontal bar — is a must-have among serious bicyclists. It can cost more than $50, and for an extra $10 to $20, it comes with a guarantee that says the company will pay customers more than $1,000 if product failure results in the theft of a bicycle.

In recent days, bicycle chat rooms on the Internet have been flooded with irate comments from cyclists, some of whom have posted short movies of themselves picking their own locks with the hollow shaft of a Bic pen.

Movie: WMV (http://www.engadget.com/common/videos/pt/lock.wmv) MOV (http://thirdrate.com/misc/krypto.mov)

A spokeswoman for the Canton, Mass.-based company, the U.S.'s largest bicycle-lock manufacturer, said it plans to accelerate the introduction of new versions of the lock because of the complaints.

Boston bicycle messenger John Anderson, 23, said a friend showed him how easy it was to defeat a U-lock.

"He did it in about two seconds. I was like, `You've got to be kidding me,'" he said. "People spend a couple of grand (on their bikes), so it's kind of a bummer that people can steal them so easily.''

Benjamin Running, a 28-year-old graphic designer in New York, helped start the furor after he posted on the Internet a video of himself picking his own lock.

"These locks literally are viewed as the industry standard, the lock that you must have. They're recommended by every bike shop,'' he said. "I'm absolutely shattered by this.''

Kryptonite spokeswoman Donna Tocci said in a statement that the design still provides "an effective deterrent to theft," but that the company is developing new products using a pen-proof, disc-style cylinder.

"We are accelerating the delivery of the new disc cylinder locks and we will communicate directly with our distributors, dealers and consumers within the coming days. The world just got tougher and so did our locks," the statement said.

The company made no mention of any refunds or free replacements and did not say whether it had received any reports of bikes being stolen with a ballpoint.

Kryptonite was founded in 1972 and is known as the originator of the U-shaped bicycle lock. In had sales of about $27 million in the year before it was acquired in 2001 by Ingersoll-Rand, maker of other security products such as Schlage door locks.

Neal Todrys, president of Kryptonite competitor Todson Inc., based in Foxboro, which makes the OnGuard brand of bike locks, said none of the company's current products uses circular key locks. Instead, they use flat-key locks.

He shuddered to think of the mischief possible in Boston, with its huge population of students with two-wheeled transportation.

"It came to me as a shock, because you might have thought that this would be discovered a couple of years ago. We were kind of speechless," Todrys said. "It's a scary thing. I don't wish that on anybody, or on any company for that matter.''

Jon Currier, an employee at Belmont Wheelworks, said the bike store took down all the Kryptonite models with pickable locks immediately after he learned of the problem.

He said he doubts the problem will have any long-term effect on Kryptonite, because the company has fixed design flaws before that bike thieves have exploited.

"The name is the Jell-O of bike locks," he said. "They're the original and the survivors.''

CyberGuy
09-17-2004, 11:47 AM
Holy crap!

I use those locks on my bikes! It took what 2-3 seconds? :jawsdown

coldstatic
09-17-2004, 02:23 PM
LOL ha ha i have seen comercials for those. thinking about getting one and then telling them my bike got stolen. lol they deserve to lose alot of money for promising alot for a crappy product.

3dGameMan
09-17-2004, 03:16 PM
I've got a couple of these as well :(

I feel like trying to do this myself and also capturing it on camera ;) I'm sure many people who have spent their hard earned money on these U-locks believing that their bikes are secure will be very upset :grumble

Tivon
09-17-2004, 03:51 PM
Rule #1 -Locks don't keep bad people out. :shifty

My dad was a locks smith and had his own shop for a few years.
So lets just say with him teaching me a few tricks you learn just
how unsafe most locks really are.

Here is a post from a guy in 1991.

I just got finished talking with a exbicycle messenger from NYCity. A quote
from him : "In order to know how to protect your bicycle in New York, you have
to know how to steal a bicycle." Since most of us are not willing to do this,
I'll share what he had to say with you. He said that there were a varity of
ways to hack Kryptonite/U-type locks. Standard procedure, as it turns out, is
to approach the bicycle and see if the person has locked the bike correctly.
Apparently, cylindrical locks have to positions that the key can be removed
from, the locked position and the unlocked position. Some people fail to lock
their lock properly. Then, cut off the plastic around the locking mechanism.
If there may or may not be a pin the holds the lock in place. If there is a
pin, tap it out. The lock should fall out or can be unscrewed at this point.
if there is no pin, use a pipe cutter to cut thru the hollow portion of the
lock. This is available in hardware stores (really poor description of a pipe
cutter follows : it's a right angle brace with a slot in it where the cutter
sits and a screw/vice type mechanism is at the other end). If none of this
works (pipe cutter won't work for a solid bar between end portions of the
"U") then a large diameter, long pipe can be used to force the lock. This
makes a huge, loud bang. Freon tricks work, but usually take about a minute
or two ard require blunt smashing insturment. Liquid nitrogen tricks work
fast, but it's dangerous if you use the stuff incorrectly. If you have some
time, a few locks are open on the other side of the part that holds the lock.
This can be split with a chisle.

Most messengers in NY use a shielded cable lock called "The Cobra." It's mondo
expensive, heavy, and there's no warranty with it. The messengers that have
U-type locks have a tee pipe sections, available at hardware stores, around the
lock portion of the cross bar to keep people from tapping out the pin that holds
the lock. There is a band steel version of the U-type locks, but I don't know
what it's called or how good it is. Some of the messengers feel that it's only
a matter of time before their bikes are stolen, so they buy two locks. They
beat the s*it out of one and basically make it look like it was broken. Then
they use the other and fill out the warranty for the other. A good theif never
leaves evidence behind. This means they never leave the lock behind.

coolhand
09-17-2004, 04:08 PM
this is all over the motorcycle forums i frequent.... Kryptonite also makes special u locks and disc locks for motorcycles....

Tivon
09-17-2004, 04:12 PM
Maybe I should have added this before? If you are now scared of the easy to unluck Kryptonite U-locks, good for you! :taunt

The best bike locks are the Abus 57 and Abus 58.

Both of these use a seven-disc tumbler mechanism which has never been successfully picked. Also they are impervious to bolt cutters and the shackles remain ductile enough so as to not shatter under extreme cold. The Swedish Theft Prevention Association did a test on these and few other brands. The test they used were the 35k Drop, 3.5T Pull, 3ft Bolt, 10T Hydraulic and Lock Picking. The Abus brands passed with NO EFFECTS! :Thumb

Swedish Test 5 - Lock Picking Tests.
The Abus proved unpickable. The Kryptonite gave in to a readily-available
Canadian lock picking tool (this tool opened all the other tubular barrel
locks in the same way). Also, they could all (except the Abus) be opened
with a nail sharpened to a point, a small hammer and a set of pliers.

coolhand
09-17-2004, 04:38 PM
now on CNN

http://money.cnn.com/2004/09/17/news/midcaps/kryptonite/index.htm?cnn=yes

wazman
09-17-2004, 05:00 PM
This reminds me of the people who found out you could get around copyright stuff on some CDs by drawing a line around the outer edge of the CD with a Sharpie marker.

The link mentions vending machines may be vulnerable to this as well?

Tivon
09-17-2004, 06:33 PM
This reminds me of the people who found out you could get around copyright stuff on some CDs by drawing a line around the outer edge of the CD with a Sharpie marker.

The link mentions vending machines may be vulnerable to this as well?

To the RIAA drawing lines on the CD is like taking your bike. :negative

Vending Machines are not vulnerable to this. Even if you could spin it around once you would need to do this many times over and the springs used are much more resistant. All though.. I've seen some that have been smashed into with hammers and crowbars. Like I said before in
another way locks only keep the good people out.

defboob
09-17-2004, 08:55 PM
man I gotta try this out, I have a kryptonite lock that I got at the beginning of the summer. Gheesh this sucks.

Sidebinder
09-17-2004, 09:09 PM
I just scored me a schwinn BMX bike from the local skate park.

J/K. I am not a thief. :thumb

This is however very dissapointing because I use the same locks to lock up my 1000+ dollar bike that is out in my work shed. :(

These locks are away to bulky as well. I think that the snake locks mite be the way to go. All hale the known breakable with out a saw snake locks. :hail

Maarek
09-18-2004, 09:22 AM
This is interesting. I've had a U-lock for a long time. I'll try this and see if it works for my lock

Maarek
09-18-2004, 09:32 AM
Ok I just tried with my U-lock and I couldn't get it to work. I used the same bic pen as shown, but I couldn't get it to fit into the lock mechinism very well. My lock is about 10-12yrs old, and the pen really had to stretch on the end just to fit, and then it wouldn't move at all. So maybe this is only the kryptonite type locks.

defboob
09-18-2004, 09:51 AM
Kryptonite's website ( http://www.kryptonitelock.com ) is offering a free product upgrade for those of us with these types of locks. From the website:

Consumers who have purchased an Evolution lock, KryptoLok lock, New York Chain, New York Noose, Evolution Disc Lock, KryptoDisco or DFS Disc Lock in the last two years are eligible for a product upgrade free of charge from Kryptonite. Customers will need to have either registered their key number, registered for the Kryptonite anti-theft protection offer or have proof of purchase to qualify.


There's more info on the page, so check it out. So now we have to check back on Wed. Sept. 22nd in the afternoon Eastern Time to see what they are going to offer us.

Orangepeel
09-18-2004, 10:50 AM
This type of information will spread pretty fast. I'm sure that some of you have, or will be emailing friends, co-workers, and family this article as well to let them know about the design fault in these locks.

Hybrid
09-22-2004, 04:06 PM
btw, you can use this trick on kensington pc locks. it works perfectly but it takes a bit more time then u-locks since it doesnt have a good grip on the lock to twist and turn.