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3dGameMan
12-24-2004, 05:54 AM
Nfld.'s Williams takes down Canadian flags: ~source (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1103816797289_37/?hub=TopStories)

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Nfld.'s Williams takes down Canadian flags
CTV.ca News Staff

Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams wants all Canadian flags taken down from provincial government buildings. The move comes in protest over failed talks with the federal government on offshore oil revenue.

"They're slapping us in the face. I'm not willing to fly that flag anymore in the province,'' Williams said Thursday.

Williams is furious with the federal government. He believes they never had any intention of seriously seeking a deal on the oil revenue during meetings in Winnipeg this week.

Williams angrily broke of talks on Wednesday, saying he was finished trying to negotiate.

At a news conference Thursday, the premier questioned Ottawa's motives in holding the talks.

"It's apparent to be that we were dragged to Manitoba in order to be punished, quite frankly -- to try to embarrass us, to bring us out there and get no deal and then send us back with our tail between our legs," a still fuming Williams told reporters in St. John's.

"From our perspective, we've done everything we could on this."

Williams had called Wednesday's talks with Finance Minister Ralph Goodale a "do-or-die" meeting. He was accompanied to the Winnipeg bargaining table by Nova Scotia Premier John Hamm.

Liberal Leader Roger Grimes is urging Williams to calm down and keep talking with Ottawa to reach a deal.

Grimes told VOCM radio talk show in St. John's that, "maybe we should keep our powder dry before we go off the handle and go crazy again.''

"I don't know how it moves the agenda forward to say `I'm going to pick up all my papers and go home and not talk to you anymore.'''

The dispute between Newfoundland and Nova Scotia premiers and the federal government is over the ownership of offshore energy revenues.

As it stands now, Ottawa claws back about 70 cents of every dollar of revenues by reducing equalization payments.

Newfoundland and Nova Scotia have both called on Ottawa to ignore their energy revenues when calculating their equalization payments. The move would give the provinces higher payments than those to which they would normally be entitled.

Equalization payments are funds the federal government provides to less wealthy provinces to help them provide comparable social programs.

Federal Finance Minister Ralph Goodale says he offered a full exemption on energy revenues.

But Williams says by his calculations, the exemption is less than 100 per cent.

Finance department officials say under the proposal rejected by Williams the clawbacks would end. The result would be between $2.5 billion and $3 billion in additional revenues for Newfoundland and about $640 million into Nova Scotia over the next eight years.

But Williams says says the offer is $1 billion short of what he was expecting in the next eight years.

Though Willams says the talks are over, federal finance spokesman John Embury told Canadian Press that talks could easily spill into the new year.

Williams walked out of a first ministers' conference two months ago after accusing the prime minister of breaking an election promise to protect 100 per cent of his province's oil revenues.

Raedwulf
12-24-2004, 01:59 PM
Nfld and NS can thank his Pierre-ness for 'equalization payments'

After 20+ yrs, I still feel the hurt... I spent a year and a half as security guard because of the NEP

A so-called 'have-not' province can now supposedly gain the advantage of having off-shore oil revenue... not so fast, 'you gots to share with the rest of the country'... some of them not so guarded in their spending

Alberta has been there and done it, over and over again. :bomb

CyberGuy
12-24-2004, 03:35 PM
Nfld and NS can thank his Pierre-ness for 'equalization payments'

After 20+ yrs, I still feel the hurt... I spent a year and a half as security guard because of the NEP

A so-called 'have-not' province can now supposedly gain the advantage of having off-shore oil revenue... not so fast, 'you gots to share with the rest of the country'... some of them not so guarded in their spending

Alberta has been there and done it, over and over again. :bomb

Alberta hasn't started hitting you guys with PST have they? Alberta has certainly benefitted from the oil revenues. I really can't blame the NFLD & NS for wanting similar treatment. As long as they don't get greedy about it. The oil is after all off their shore.

I remember from my own visit to the Bonavista peninsula of NFLD in the 80's the standard of living in there was extremely poor. About the only industries are paper and fishing. That means a large portion of the population, particularly along the coast, is laid off for half of the year. I also remember prices being about 30% more than Ontario due to having to import everything. The equalization payments were sorely needed then. However if they start making money hand-over-fist, the equalization payments have to stop and they have to start supporting their own population.

coolhand
12-24-2004, 04:42 PM
Beleave me, were not getting greedy, we only want what we deserve and should have had long ago. NL means next to nothing to ottawa unless we have something they want, then they throw us scraps while they literally rape us of our resources. I support Danny 100% in this and any other measures he puts in place to get us what we deserve. with the resources we have, we should be one of canadas richest provinces in stead of one of its poorest.

Raedwulf
12-25-2004, 09:56 AM
Coolhand,

I certainly agree with you
Maybe your government can learn from Alberta; though it appears that it has... though taking down the Canadian flag seems a bit of a bash against the rest of us

If Nfld, NS and AB (and NE BC) were to join up against the Federal Government...

I'm not totally against equalization, all of Canada could benefit... but the way some otherprovinces waste the payments they receive ... well, no wonder we're getting bitter

bejohnson
12-25-2004, 10:35 AM
Guys ya'll could tell Ottawa to stick it and then threaten to apply to Washington for statehood. That would liven things up a mite. Might make the long cold winter pass faster. :shocking :noway :lmao

Raedwulf
12-25-2004, 01:46 PM
be,

That would be against any Canadian could stand...

Despite what the rest of the provinces think, the more right wing we are, the less we want to become part of some other nation (that shall remain nameless)

We just don't want a government that cowtows to minority opinion to govern what the majority would *really* want
We want a senate that is elected... not designated by the PM
Nix a gun registry that is costing more than the money it brings in
We'll share *some* provincial income, but they have to practice fiscal responsibility, don't suck out 30%
According to Oxford's, there is a specific meaning to marriage, but that's what happens when big money from the US affects Canada's national passtime :Wink

3dGameMan
01-12-2005, 09:01 AM
Raise the Flag: ~source (http://www.ntv.ca/news/viewEntries.php?id=1798)

by Ken Regular January 10, 2005

Premier Danny Williams has returned the Maple Leaf to flag poles province-wide. There was no fanfare for this flag-raising. But it does send a loud message to the rest of Canada and the federal government. Premier Williams is trying to end the ‘flag flap.’ He feared the missing Canadian flag was becoming a federal government bargaining chip in Atlantic Accord negotiations. Bargaining chip or not, removing Canada’s flag sparked debate in this province and invited angry criticism from mainland Canada. In national newspapers and on the networks, the Premier has been fielding tough questions for days. Premier Williams says it was not a mistaketo remove the national flag, just an effective way to send a message to the people of Canada. Now the Premier waits to see if Prime Minister Paul Martin will respond to four letters he has sent in the past. But the Premier’s real goal is to get Atlantic Accord negotiations going again. Prime Minister Martin said he would not negotiate while flags were down. Premier Williams said he would not negotiate again without the Prime Minister at the table. Now everyone waits to see if talks can start again.