School Finds Success in Separating Sexes

[3dGameMan]

School Finds Success in Separating Sexes: ~source (http://www.al.com/news/mobileregister/index.ssf?/base/news/110422907883560.xml)

Tuesday, December 28, 2004
By RENA HAVNER
Staff Reporter

Principal Aaron Guyton said some students were upset when they found out that boys and girls would be placed in separate classes at Mobile County Training middle school.

But with test scores up and discipline problems down, Guyton is making no apologies now.

While some students say they miss being able to flirt and talk to members of the opposite sex as often, many said they feel more comfortable in class now. They're asking more questions during class discussions and their grades have improved, teachers said.

"I like it. It makes our learning environment more productive," said 14-year-old Cornelius Davis, "but on the other hand, I like girls in my class."

The Plateau school, which has been one of the lowest performing campuses in the county, is one of two local schools experimenting with all-boy and all-girl classes. Adams Middle School in Saraland is the other.

Both schools started with a handful of gender-separate classes last year. They expanded this year to include all seventh- and eighth-grade classes at Mobile County Training School and most sixth grade classes at Adams.

At Mobile County Training School, eighth-grade Stanford Achievement Test math scores went up last year from the 19th percentile -- meaning students performed better than only 19 percent of pupils nationwide -- to the 40th percentile, according to the State Department of Education. ...

[eire1274]

Absolutely not surprising. Thoughts of sex in the teenage mind is a HUGE distraction.

[bejohnson]

The problem I see is that "Separate but Equal" was ruled unconstitutional due to the so-called separate but equal schools for the races in the 1950s and 1960s. This will most probably be applied to the sexes also as there is too much chance for one sex to not receive equal education.

[2JSC]

The problem I see is that "Separate but Equal" was ruled unconstitutional due to the so-called separate but equal schools for the races in the 1950s and 1960s. This will most probably be applied to the sexes also as there is too much chance for one sex to not receive equal education.

I agree. THey my not get equal educations, but they do learn better.

[Ivil]

My experiences from this is the contrary, i am in a boys only class myself and we are all teenagers. Our grades are among the worst in the whole school and our discipline... what discipline? And its not only my class actually, there is another 8 classes like this and all of them is the same as ours, it just doesnt work here. No, its not special classes for people with attitude/learning problems, its normal classes with normal students and we barely pass the most significant subjects. We are just too understimulated to study and concentrate.

[CyberGuy]

My experiences from this is the contrary, i am in a boys only class myself and we are all teenagers. Our grades are among the worst in the whole school and our discipline... what discipline? And its not only my class actually, there is another 8 classes like this and all of them is the same as ours, it just doesnt work here. No, its not special classes for people with attitude/learning problems, its normal classes with normal students and we barely pass the most significant subjects. We are just too understimulated to study and concentrate.

Heh, If you think your grades are low now, if you throw in some girls you will all end up flunking out. Cute chicks in the classroom and concentration on what the teacher is saying do not mix. There aren't a lot of teenage guys out there that use brains to impress the ladies.

Maybe the course material needs to be more challenging.

[wazman]

I never seemed to have a problem with girls in my classes... Mostly because they all avoided me. I was a homely child...

But I don't see how this would help one sex or the other learn better. It's not like the kids were out in the hallway pawing each other during breaks and stuff, is it? Cause if they were, the school's got more problems than this will help...

[CyberGuy]

I never seemed to have a problem with girls in my classes... Mostly because they all avoided me. I was a homely child......

C'mon, you still dreamed didn't you? I sure as heck did! I wasn't the cutest catch in the class either, but they still got my attention in class even if I didn't get theirs. My grades suffered for it for sure.

[wazman]

C'mon, you still dreamed didn't you? I sure as heck did! I wasn't the cutest catch in the class either, but they still got my attention in class even if I didn't get theirs. My grades suffered for it for sure.

Well, yeah, I dreamed.

Just not in class.



(That's probably TMI already so I'll just stop there.)

[nighthawk15]

In the boys classes make the teachers really hot women, then they will pay attention to the teacher :lmao

[egarrard]

In the boys classes make the teachers really hot women, then they will pay attention to the teacher :lmaoNothing focuses the mind like a hard-on, hmmm? :rofl2

[Ivil]

Heh, If you think your grades are low now, if you throw in some girls you will all end up flunking out. Cute chicks in the classroom and concentration on what the teacher is saying do not mix. There aren't a lot of teenage guys out there that use brains to impress the ladies.

Maybe the course material needs to be more challenging.

I was actually in a mixed class before and my grades were better back then, and I also marked that it was "my" experience. I also think that the mentality might play a huge role too, I dont think swedish teenagers behave like american teenagers for example.

[egarrard]

I dont think swedish teenagers behave like american teenagers for example. :rofl2 No offense, but I think you'd find more similarities than you'd think. I imagine teenagers are the same the world over. :lmao

[CyberGuy]

I was actually in a mixed class before and my grades were better back then, and I also marked that it was "my" experience. I also think that the mentality might play a huge role too, I dont think swedish teenagers behave like american teenagers for example.

Hmmm, a little information missing from the your post there.

I agree woth a couple of the other posters here though:

1 - A hot teacher does wonders in keeping the attention of a class.
2 - The average teenagers is teenager - raging hormones and all. Geography makes no difference.

And I will add this. The assumptions that I have seen presented in this thread are assuming the teenager is attacted to the opposite sex. If not, all bets are off :KICK ASS ;)

[Stratus]

Absolutely not surprising. Thoughts of sex in the teenage mind is a HUGE distraction.


Damn, so that's why I got Cs in high school...=)

[Ivil]

:rofl2 No offense, but I think you'd find more similarities than you'd think. I imagine teenagers are the same the world over. :lmao

Actually I totally disagree with you, theres quite some differences between us and our neighbouring countries denmark and norway for example, so that all teenagers all over the world are the same seem very far-fetched in my ears. A few years ago a friend of mine went to school in america for about 6 months, when she got back she told us that there were lots of differences and that the level of maturity and so on were different.

[CyberGuy]

Actually I totally disagree with you, theres quite some differences between us and our neighbouring countries denmark and norway for example, so that all teenagers all over the world are the same seem very far-fetched in my ears. A few years ago a friend of mine went to school in america for about 6 months, when she got back she told us that there were lots of differences and that the level of maturity and so on were different.

Ok man, if you say so. :rofl2 If you want to believe teenagers in Sweden are different than anywhere else, go for it. I don't believe it for a second.

Please be so kind as to explain your assertions further. I for one would be interested to hear your theories on exactly why you think young Swedish heterosexual males (13-18 Yrs old) would not be attracted (and distracted) by young attractive Swedish females at them. Please explain how that is different from people in the same age group in other countries.

My view is that teenagers are teenagers with the same drives regardless of whether they live in China, Australia, Sweden, Antarctica, America or the Congo. If you find the sexual apetites and drives among teenagers are lower where you are, you might want to see what is being put into their food because that is not natural.

This should get interesting. :thumb

[bejohnson]

Ok man, if you say so. :rofl2 If you want to believe teenagers in Sweden are different than anywhere else, go for it. I don't believe it for a second.

Please be so kind as to explain your assertions further. I for one would be interested to hear your theories on exactly why you think young Swedish heterosexual males (13-18 Yrs old) would not be attracted (and distracted) by young attractive Swedish females at them. Please explain how that is different from people in the same age group in other countries.

My view is that teenagers are teenagers with the same drives regardless of whether they live in China, Australia, Sweden, Antarctica, America or the Congo. If you find the sexual apetites and drives among teenagers are lower where you are, you might want to see what is being put into their food because that is not natural.

This should get interesting. :thumb

I totally agree with you man. I find it hard (uh - difficult) to believe that a Swedish teenage male would not be distracted by something like this.

http://www.jpeglist.com/gallery/december/22gg/images/04.jpg

Hell, I am and I'm 52 and married. :noway :KICK ASS

[Ivil]

Ok man, if you say so. :rofl2 If you want to believe teenagers in Sweden are different than anywhere else, go for it. I don't believe it for a second.

Please be so kind as to explain your assertions further. I for one would be interested to hear your theories on exactly why you think young Swedish heterosexual males (13-18 Yrs old) would not be attracted (and distracted) by young attractive Swedish females at them. Please explain how that is different from people in the same age group in other countries.

My view is that teenagers are teenagers with the same drives regardless of whether they live in China, Australia, Sweden, Antarctica, America or the Congo. If you find the sexual apetites and drives among teenagers are lower where you are, you might want to see what is being put into their food because that is not natural.

This should get interesting. :thumb

Yes, this is interesting because you seem to read without reading (how thats now possible). I said that i find it far-fetched that all teenagers all over the world would behave the same and not that it was some sort of special "feature" for swedish teenagers which you seem to think. And just because you have the same needs/cravings no matter where you are from it doesnt mean that all teenagers all over the world would act the same way in a situation. If you know so much you would also know that when mixing cultures/nationalities and generalizing things are bound to get wrong.

...and about that pic, no i am not attracted by girls that have the bimbo-appearance, thats very unwanted here.

[egarrard]

Yes, this is interesting because you seem to read without reading (how thats now possible).No, we read your post. From the way you insulted everybody but Swedes, we pretty much figured out who the immature ones are. Actions speak louder than words. :shifty

[egarrard]

...and about that pic, no i am not attracted by girls that have the bimbo-appearance.I agree. See? No difference... :lmao

[CyberGuy]

Yes, this is interesting because you seem to read without reading (how thats now possible). I said that i find it far-fetched that all teenagers all over the world would behave the same and not that it was some sort of special "feature" for swedish teenagers which you seem to think. And just because you have the same needs/cravings no matter where you are from it doesnt mean that all teenagers all over the world would act the same way in a situation. If you know so much you would also know that when mixing cultures/nationalities and generalizing things are bound to get wrong.

You still didn't answer the questions. I asked you to explain your theories as to why you thought swedish teenagers were different.

...and about that pic, no i am not attracted by girls that have the bimbo-appearance, thats very unwanted here.

:lmao You are a funny guy Ivil. I see where you are coming from now.

Maybe this does it for ya:

[Ivil]

Section dedicated to egarrard: If you think i insulted everybody in the world except swedes you are really weird, I said that I find it hard to believe/far-fetched that all teenagers in the world would act the same way in the same situation, whats in that sentence that you dont understand? Also note that the line "Yes, this is interesting because you seem to read without reading (how thats now possible)." was aimed towards cyberguy and no one else, or maybe you managed to miss that I quote him in the same post?

Section dedicated to cyberguy: You have to take a lot of things into consideration when generalizing (as I said its the worst thing you can do when mixing cultures or nationalities). First of all, we are all individuals and no one behaves exactly the same way as another, even though there might be some similarities. Second, theres a thing called culture, this has a deep impact on how you behave since in different cultures you put value on different things and it also has a deep impact on how we are raised which in turn can create more differencies in behaviour from one culture/nationality to another. In different countries boys use different methods to impress/attract girls, in some countries this is done by showing your intelligence (since intelligence is considered sexy in some cultures/countries), so raising your hand in class and study hard is the way to go for some people. And theres a whole wagonload of stuff like this that you have to take into consideration, and after we have eliminated all those factors you are lucky to be able to apply one behavoiur to even 10% of the worlds teenagers. I really wanna see some proof of your opinions as well, I have discussed this with some other guys (from finland, sweden, denmark, indonesia, malaysia) and they just think that your oppinion is plain stupid.

...and about that new pic, no i dont find half-naked boys attractive either.

[wazman]

I totally agree with you man. I find it hard (uh - difficult) to believe that a Swedish teenage male would not be distracted by something like this.

http://www.jpeglist.com/gallery/december/22gg/images/04.jpg

Hell, I am and I'm 52 and married. :noway :KICK ASS

Right there with you... Yum.

[egarrard]

Give it up, Cyberguy. It's a losing cause. The kids know much more than we do. (Just another way they are alike the world over.) :rofl2

I'm beginning to think all the eugenics fans didn't go to South America after all... :shifty

[CyberGuy]

Give it up, Cyberguy. It's a losing cause. The kids know much more than we do. (Just another way they are alike the world over.) :rofl2

I'm beginning to think all the eugenics fans didn't go to South America after all... :shifty

True :lmao After all, didn't we know it all at their age? :rofl2

Hey Ivil, consider yourself initiated into the 3GM forums! You've just met Darth Fetish :KICK ASS

[bejohnson]

Let's get clinical shall we?

This is a compilation of various sources both textbook and web. Thanks to Brandi's OB-GYN which is also her aunt for some of the info.

Whether they're just thinking about it or doing it, sex takes up a lot of a teenager's time. This new, unknown territory is a cause for concern, excitement and exploration.

For both boys and girls, the key to sexual drive is the sex hormone 'testosterone'. When testosterone levels reach a certain threshold, teenagers start thinking about sex. But this does not mean they start having sex. Girls are only likely to get involved in sex if their social environment encourages it - if their friends are already involved, or if their parents are permissive, for example.

But in boys, high levels of testosterone seem to lead to sexual activity regardless of their social surroundings. This may be because boys grow up in an environment in which sexual behaviour is tolerated, even encouraged, so it only takes the biological trigger to start their sexual activity.


First love

"Falling in love seems to have a similar effect on the brain as using cocaine."

Everyone remembers their first love. Few experiences will ever be as intense and overwhelming as your first crush.

When teenagers develop a sense of extraordinary closeness with another person, the experience has echoes of the close contact between mother and child in infancy.

Falling in love as a teenager is more intense than the experience in adulthood. But these early relationships usually burn out quickly. One survey showed that at age 15, dating relationships last an average of only three to four months.


Love on the brain

Researchers have identified pathways in the brain which light up when teenagers are in love. Falling in love seems to have a similar effect on the brain as using cocaine. It's so pleasurable it's almost like an addiction.


Brief loves

Researchers have identified three phases of love. The initial physical response is 'lust'. The falling in love is called 'attraction'. The emotional commitment, required to make relationships last in the long term, is known as 'attachment'.

Teenagers seem to experience the attraction phase more strongly than adults, but their failure to enter the attachment phase may be to blame for the short-term nature of their relationships.


Lessons in love

However short-lived it might turn out to be, an experience of passionate love can quickly become the most important thing in a young person's life. Teenagers in love spend endless hours talking, either on the phone or face to face.

This intimacy teaches them about their own identity, simply through becoming close to someone else. Intimacy also involves openness, sharing and trust, so it also contributes to maturity.

As well discovering new emotional feelings, most teenagers also experience new physical desires as well.


Mood swings

On top of the world in the morning, depressed over lunch time and angry in the evening - teenagers have a reputation for mood swings.

Raging hormones

Any rapid fluctuation in hormones is usually accompanied by irritability, recklessness, aggression and depression. In early puberty, teenagers are experiencing very rapid rises in the level of sex hormones. So mood swings at this early stage could be caused by hormones, although there is very little evidence to prove it.

Girls will continue to experience fluctuations in oestrogen and progesterone levels with their periods. Pre-Menstrual Syndrome or PMS is an acknowledged cause of irritability and mild depression in adult women. It also affects teenage girls and they might struggle to accept or control this emotional change because they are experiencing it for the first time.

Staring in the mirror

Other changes in teenagers' lives are thought to contribute to their moodiness. Their rapidly changing physical appearance can cause them to become much more self-conscious. Teenagers often start to hide themselves away, locking their bedroom doors or spending hours holed-up in the bathroom working on their appearance.

Stuck in the middle of being a child and an adult, many teenagers get frustrated. Their bodies have developed adult capabilities, but the adult world is not ready to welcome them yet.

Adolescent depression: stuck in the middle of being a child and an adult, many teenagers get frustrated

Moodiness in the vast majority of teenagers might be difficult to live with at the time, but it passes with increasing age and confidence. However low moods persist in some teenagers and they are diagnosed with depression.

Whereas it is highly unusual for a child to become depressed, in teenage years the frequency of depression does begin to rise. The causes of teenage depression could be anything from a genetic predisposition, to stress and difficulties in family relationships.

Well guys, does this sound like an average teenager? Contrary to opinions stated here, all teenagers that are normal will go through what we euphemistically call growing up. They can't help it; it's genetic and biologically normal. So it doesn't matter if it's a teenage boy or a teenage girl, the opposite sex will have a marked effect on either.

Horemones are Hell. :shocking :noway :shocking :noway :shocking :lmao

[Ivil]

At least someone else who can put in some real arguments (talking about bejohnson), but i still dont buy them to 100% even though i agree with some of the stuff there.

First of all it doesnt say how big the testgroups were, how many countries it has been tried in and so on. Sure, hormones like testosterone can be irritating, but what it dont mention is that boys who are participating and spend lot of time with sports use their testosterone to react with protein to build up and repair muscles which result in lower levels most of the time... and the testosterone levels are the highest when boys are between 18-22 years and not when they are like 16. And the levels are not at 100% for 24 hours every day. Then i also see some stuff like this "although there is very little evidence to prove it", which make me more doubtious (spelling?) about it.

So, to clear things out from this messy text. Yes, i agree with some of the stuff in that text but you still cant generalize, i really want to see someone do that and get it 100% right for every teenager from alaska to new zealand, the person who tries will most likely fail. And teenagers still act different depending on how they are raised and what values they have in life, even though theres hormone rushes that doesnt mean every single teenager will stare his/her eyes out on all boys/girls in their vicinity, you know not everybody gives after for their needs/lust/whatever, it also says that right in your own text.

[bejohnson]

At least someone else who can put in some real arguments (talking about bejohnson), but i still dont buy them to 100% even though i agree with some of the stuff there.

First of all it doesnt say how big the testgroups were, how many countries it has been tried in and so on. Sure, hormones like testosterone can be irritating, but what it dont mention is that boys who are participating and spend lot of time with sports use their testosterone to react with protein to build up and repair muscles which result in lower levels most of the time... and the testosterone levels are the highest when boys are between 18-22 years and not when they are like 16. And the levels are not at 100% for 24 hours every day. Then i also see some stuff like this "although there is very little evidence to prove it", which make me more doubtious (spelling?) about it.

So, to clear things out from this messy text. Yes, i agree with some of the stuff in that text but you still cant generalize, i really want to see someone do that and get it 100% right for every teenager from alaska to new zealand, the person who tries will most likely fail. And teenagers still act different depending on how they are raised and what values they have in life, even though theres hormone rushes that doesnt mean every single teenager will stare his/her eyes out on all boys/girls in their vicinity, you know not everybody gives after for their needs/lust/whatever, it also says that right in your own text.

That information is from a myriad of studies that have been done over the years on adolescents from almost every country in the world. Those findings apply to all nationalities, races, and origins. There is no difference between teenagers from one country to the next. The only variable is the social surroundings of the individual teenagers and that can vary even in one country.

Bottom line, teenagers are the same no matter where they grow up.

[CyberGuy]

At least someone else who can put in some real arguments (talking about bejohnson), but i still dont buy them to 100% even though i agree with some of the stuff there.
....
Then i also see some stuff like this "although there is very little evidence to prove it", which make me more doubtious (spelling?) about it.
....
And teenagers still act different depending on how they are raised and what values they have in life, even though theres hormone rushes that doesnt mean every single teenager will stare his/her eyes out on all boys/girls in their vicinity, you know not everybody gives after for their needs/lust/whatever, it also says that right in your own text.


Bud, did you just say the wrong thing.... :KICK ASS

Never, ever, dispute the accuracy and competeness of bejohnson's research findings. :shifty You'll see. :shocking :lmao

[bejohnson]

Bud, did you just say the wrong thing.... :KICK ASS

Never, ever, dispute the accuracy and competeness of bejohnson's research findings. :shifty You'll see. :shocking :lmao

Don't have the time or the inclination to argue material that is accepted as basic fact by every adult on the forum and every doctor on the face of the planet. :Wink

I'll let you take a turn or two as I'm heading out the door with Brandi. We have a night of dinner and dancing on a riverboat here in Nashville. After that :devil :KICK ASS :devil :KICK ASS :devil . I'll let MY hormones have some fun. :taunt :taunt :taunt

[CyberGuy]

I'll let you take a turn or two as I'm heading out the door with Brandi. We have a night of dinner and dancing on a riverboat here in Nashville. After that :devil :KICK ASS :devil :KICK ASS :devil . I'll let MY hormones have some fun. :taunt :taunt :taunt

Have a Happy New Year Ed. Give Brandi our best :Beer

[Ivil]

Actually, now i gonna do a lame little redirection to what this discussion was all about from the beginning (it was not hormones anyway), and that was wether all teenagers behave the same in school and if single sex classes would have the same effect all over the world (as you can see we have slid quite off-topic in the discussion). I dont see how all that "first love" and "pms" will fit into that, it will just be an excessive amount of unwanted fat on the beef if you know what i mean. And what i could tell you is this, it wont have the same effect everywhere, definetely not.

[Ivil]

I dont really care if its some sort of unwritten rule to question his findings, when i read the list i found some stuff that i dont recognize on myself at all (no its not some lie just to save my face or something), theres always exceptions. And then i really wonder if they base their conclusions on a majority of results or if it really was 90+% (or something like that) of the results that really turned out like that, thats a big difference actually and i dont see any info about that, you are welcome to share your links with me.

[jer4202]

What good does it do you if you have the best education that is offered, but no real world experience? School's are not only for text reading and information learning, its also having to deal with real issues such crushes, drugs, sex, and all that stuff that comes with an average school. I tell you what, if you go through school with 4.0 GPA and Ace everything in your highschool, you will certainly be set back when entered into a college where some good lookin gals are (and guys too for all you ladies). If you don't grow up getting an education with the opposing sex at an early age, how will you adapt to it when you are thrown into a college when your sex drive is at a highest peak in your life?? KEEP BOTH SEXES TOGETHER! :kiss

[CyberGuy]

Good point jer4202. In most societies kids are educated in co-ed facilities where both sexes sit in the same classroom from grade school all the way to college/university. For those who are constantly in this environment, distractions are a way of life and easier to cope with. Teens who have been sheltered in segregated schools would find the distractions much harder to deal with when thrown into a co-ed situation.

.Actually, now i gonna do a lame little redirection to what this discussion was all about from the beginning (it was not hormones anyway), and that was wether all teenagers behave the same in school and if single sex classes would have the same effect all over the world (as you can see we have slid quite off-topic in the discussion). I dont see how all that "first love" and "pms" will fit into that, it will just be an excessive amount of unwanted fat on the beef if you know what i mean. And what i could tell you is this, it wont have the same effect everywhere, definetely not.

No one here said all teenagers are sex-starved lunatics who can't concentrate if mixed in school so please don't acuse us of it. If you took the time to actually read these posts is that most (bell curve, average) teenagers would find having a mixture of sexes in the class distracting due to the hormonal imbalances they are experiencing at that time of life. Here's a few more facts for you - please try to refute them:


Teenagers are at a point in their lives when their bodies are changing. During this time the average teenager's mind is not as focused as it would be at other times in their lives.
Geography and culture has absolutely no bearing on the effects of the above. It is a biological fact and geography will not change it.
All teenagers go through this to a greater or lesser degree. You cannot grow to adulthood without passing through this stage in development.

This is all stuff that you learn in grade school unless you were distracted during that class. Now please try and tell me that the average teenagers would not find this distracting.

I dont really care if its some sort of unwritten rule to question his findings, when i read the list i found some stuff that i dont recognize on myself at all (no its not some lie just to save my face or something), theres always exceptions. And then i really wonder if they base their conclusions on a majority of results or if it really was 90+% (or something like that) of the results that really turned out like that, thats a big difference actually and i dont see any info about that, you are welcome to share your links with me.

I really don't need to defend bejohnson's findings. He does that very well himself as you may well find out. Most of the more experienced posters have (including moi).

I will leave you with this though.

Many of the opinions expressed in this thread are from the 20/20 hindsight of people who have been there and seen this behavior time and time again over decades. We've seen it in our own kids, our nieces and nephews and grandkids, our neighbors kids, our colleagues kids. You are getting the benefit right here of many decades worth of experience from people who have been where you are now and managed to survive it. And your beliefs to the contrary, we are not all tied to a specific geography. Many of us have travelled throughout the world and have had the opportunity to see and experience other cultures first hand. Particularly many of those who are responding to you.

Like I said you are entitled to express your opinion. But before you call people who express opinions that oppose yours 'stupid' (you had better watch that), maybe you should instead step back and look objectively where those opinions are coming from. I realize you feel you feel you have gained a lot of knowledge in your so-far short life. Others here have had 3 or 4 times as long to accumulate this knowledge and experience. It's a real shame to see you disregard it so flippantly.

Just as egarrard and I bantered above, teenagers know everything. So did we at their age. No one ever learns from others (unless the lesson is particularly well delivered http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/_950/boxing.gif), only from their own experiences.

I am finished trying to help you reach an educated conclusion. It is apparent that you are unable to objectively view the information presented to you until you get a lot more years under your belt.

You have been given the benefit of our observations, do with them what you will sir.

[Ivil]

cyberguy, it seems like there has been a little missunderstanding. When i keep referring to "all teenagers" i base that on whats said in post #13 ("I imagine teenagers are the same the world over."), which i apperantly "understood wrong", and i also have this problem that when people are saying something against me i have to defend myself (and thats something thats necessary here or otherwise people will run over you in school) no matter how silly the discussion gets. And i can admit that i am wrong, and i also know when im beaten. But i still dont think that you can completely remove things like culture and religion from the equation on how teenagers behave.

:surrender

[CyberGuy]

cyberguy, it seems like there has been a little missunderstanding. When i keep referring to "all teenagers" i base that on whats said in post #13 ("I imagine teenagers are the same the world over."), which i apperantly "understood wrong", and i also have this problem that when people are saying something against me i have to defend myself (and thats something thats necessary here or otherwise people will run over you in school) no matter how silly the discussion gets. And i can admit that i am wrong, and i also know when im beaten. But i still dont think that you can completely remove things like culture and religion from the equation on how teenagers behave.

:surrender

I can see how that quote (#13) can be read in a few different ways. Misinterpretation is a common occurance in discussion forums and often leads to some pretty heated debates. :Sigh

I can accept this if you will also accept my climbing all over you about it. It seems the need to defend our views is not isolated to yourself :o. So since you are putting away your guns, I'll put mine away too. :kiss

I agree with that culture, religion and peer pressure can play a part in the overall behavior of most teens just as it plays a large part in the behavior of young children and older adults (old farts included). These influences can't be unilaterally ruled out of the equasion.

[wazman]

But just let me get this straight - sex is good, right?

I sure hope so.

[CyberGuy]

But just let me get this straight - sex is good, right?

I sure hope so.

LOL I sincerely hope so too. :lmao Otherwise I am one bad boy. http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/d0/sex.gif :devil

[wazman]

Me too.

:devil :KICKASS

[bejohnson]

I've been a Baaaaaaad Boy! :devil :taunt :devil :taunt :devil :lmao

[blpeterson]

I've been a Baaaaaaad Boy! :devil :taunt :devil :taunt :devil :lmao

Not in my book you weren't. I'd say you were pretty damn good. :thumb :banana :bounce :KICK ASS :heartbeat :kiss