Canon's New Digital Rebel XT!!

[Bobenis]

I got the leak early! Check out the stats on this puppy. Seems like Canon took the Wasia Hack and incorporated it into this new 8MP successor to the 300D. Looks amazing. It is not being officially released at PMA until tomorrow. RIP Nikon D70...Nikon better worry now! Canon's techies and customer service has listened to the masses with this one. Nokin is in trouble now. :lmao

- 8MP
- DIGIC II
- E-TTL II
- Selectable focus modes (One-Shot AF, AI SERVO and AI Focus)
- Mirror lock-up
- 2nd curtain flash
- 3fps for 14 shots
- 0.2 second statup time
- Writing to memory card is 3.5 times faster
-$999 USD for the Kit

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Time to sell my new 300D and Battery Grip I suppose!
:luxhello :clapping :luxhello :clapping

[Bobenis]

Here is the low down...a long read but SOOOO worth it!!!! Should be able to buy a damn sweet 300D for very cheap soon. Prices will fall shortly.

Canon EOS Digital Rebel XT digital camera introduction : Canon upgrades the Canon EOS Rebel with the 8.0 Megapixel, 3 frame per second Canon EOS Rebel XT. The launch completes a refresh of the entire digital EOS line-up and confirms Canon's commitment to digital SLR research and development. "The Canon EOS Rebel kick started the digital SLR revolution, becoming the best selling model of all time," "The new Canon Rebel XT will now take over, playing a major role in Canon's digital SLR strategy," said Mogens Jensen, Head of Canon Consumer Imaging Europe. "Canon predicts the D-SLR market will double in size by the end of 2006."

The Canon EOS Digital Rebel XT features a newly developed, second generation, extremely low noise APS-C size 8.0 Megapixel CMOS sensor, the fourth new CMOS sensor from Canon in just twelve months. It is powered by the same DIGIC II image processor found in Canon's professional series D-SLR cameras, and features 3 frame per second, 14 frame burst operation, USB 2.0 Hi-Speed interface, simultaneous RAW and Large JPEG writing and 0.2 second start up time. The Canon Rebel XT is more than 10% lighter and 25% smaller by volume than the Canon Rebel. It is available in both black and silver finishes. "The Canon EOS Rebel XT combines ease of use with many of the same compelling technologies found in Canon's professional series EOS cameras, chosen by more than 70% of pro photographers at the 2004 Athens Olympics," observed Jensen. "For the first time, every camera in the EOS digital range now incorporates a Canon original CMOS sensor and Canon DIGIC II processor."

In terms of speed and resolution, Canon now has the leading performance camera in every D-SLR segment; all launched since January last year:


EOS-1Ds Mark II - 16.7 Megapixel full frame 35mm sensor, 4 fps

EOS-1D Mark II - 8.2 Megapixel APS-H size sensor, 8.5 fps

EOS 20D - 8.2 Megapixel APS-C size sensor, 5.0 fps

EOS Digital Rebel XT - 8.0 Megapixel APS-C size sensor, 3.0 fps

Target user: With plain language menus, intuitive controls and default settings chosen to reflect general every-day use, the Canon EOS 350D is designed to appeal to digital still compact users looking to expand their creativity, and film SLR users who have been waiting for 8.0 Megapixel performance at this price point. It will be available as body only and in kit form with the new EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 II lens.



Improvements over the Canon Rebel: The new CMOS sensor and high performance DIGIC II performance lead a number of improvements to the Canon EOS Rebel. Other advances include E-TTL II distance-linked flash metering for easy, consistent and precise flash exposures. Users can now select between three focus modes: One-Shot AF, AI SERVO and AI Focus. Writing to memory card is 3.5 times faster and the interface is upgraded to USB 2.0 Hi-Speed for fast image downloads. Mirror lock-up and 2nd curtain flash have also been added. The Canon EOS Rebel XT now features the same Monochrome mode found on the EOS 20D, allowing users to shoot in black & white with a range of filter effects. White Balance correction of both blue/amber and magenta/green bias is available to ±9 levels and WB bracketing is extended to include the magenta/green bias direction. Digital Photo Professional RAW image processing software, the same professional workflow software supplied with Canon's €8,000 EOS-1Ds Mark II, has been added to the standard software.



Canon EOS Digital Rebel XT Build in Flash
Low noise sensor and precision optics: The CMOS sensor features redesigned pixel sites, with improved capacity to isolate any residual charge remaining after the pixel site is reset. This is then subtracted from the exposure to suppress any random pattern noise. Improvements in image quality are particularly noticeable with long shutter exposures and high ISO settings, and result in more even rendering of uniform surfaces, such as blue skies. The low noise of the second generation CMOS sensor delivers clean images from ISO 100 through to ISO 1600. The APS-C size sensor gives the camera a 1.6x magnification compared to 35mm cameras. The camera's EF-S lens mount works seamlessly with all of the more than 60 Canon EF lenses, the world's largest interchangeable lens system. It is also compatible with the four EF–S lenses developed for Canon’s APS-C format digital SLRs (the Canon EOS 20D and Canon Rebel) including the new EF-S 60mm f/2.8 Macro USM lens

Faster processing for better results: Underpinning the camera's performance is Canon's high-speed DIGIC II (Digital Image Core) processor, as found in Canon's professional series Canon EOS-1D Mark II and EOS-1Ds Mark II. DIGIC II is Canon's second generation image processor, purpose built to handle the complex algorithms required for maximum image quality; optimally processing functions such as white balance and colour rendition. By integrating key functions onto a single processor, DIGIC II delivers superb quality images without trading camera responsiveness. "Digital image quality is dependent on three factors: lens quality, sensor performance and image processing capability," said Jensen. "Canon is a developer, designer and manufacturer of the key components in each of the three critical technology areas: lens, CMOS sensor and image processor. It is the leadership position in each of these core technology areas that gives the Canon EOS Digital Rebel XT Digital its edge."

Better focusing: Focus can now be selected between One Shot AF (for single shot focusing), AI SERVO AF (for predictive tracking of subjects approaching at up to 50kph up to 10m away) and AI Focus AF (switches automatically between One Shot AF and AI SERVO AF when subject movement is detected). This improves on the Canon EOS Rebel by providing direct selection of the three focusing modes. For more flexible focusing, AF point selection is now possible with the cross keys as well as from the main dial. Full time manual override is available with all EF Auto Focus lenses, while a new Precision Matte screen gives a brighter viewfinder image for easier, more accurate manual focusing.

Improved flash: The pop-up flash of the Canon EOS Rebel XT has a guide number of 13 and sits even higher (95.5mm) above the optical axis than on the Canon Rebel, helping suppress red eye effect and reducing the possibility of lens barrel shadow. Angle of coverage extends to support wide lenses to 17mm. Flash compensation of ±2 stops in 1/3- or 1/2- stop increments is available with both the built-in flash and with all EX-series Speedlite flash units.

Print and review: Lab-quality prints can be produced without the need for a computer by directly connecting the Canon Rebel XT Digital to any PictBridge compatible photo printer via the supplied USB cable. The new USB 2.0 Hi-Speed connection improves computer upload times, and is also compatible with USB 1.1 and Picture Transfer Protocol (PTP) for driverless transfers. The 1.8" LCD is used to select and review photographs to be printed and set print variables. During image playback, it is possible to jump forward or back by date, by single image, or by groups of 10 or 100 images. Review display modes have been extended, making it possible to review an image without overlaying any information.

High-end exposure control: The EOS Rebel XT Digital retains the accurate 35 zone TTL metering of the EOS Rebel. The three metering modes (evaluative, partial, and centre weighted average) are now manually selectable and both exposure compensation and exposure bracketing are available in 1/2 stop increments as well as the 1/3 stop increments of the Canon EOS Rebel. The Canon EOS Digital Rebel XT Digital retains the popular Programmed Image Control modes of the Canon Rebel, such as Night Portrait, Sports, Close-up, Landscape, Portrait and Flash OFF.

Shooting adaptability: Shutter speeds extend from 30 sec to 1/4000 sec, plus bulb and high-speed x-sync at 1/200s. The memory card slot supports 2GB and higher CompactFlash Type I and II cards. Optional wired or infra red wireless remote control is available. Seven preset White Balance settings (such as cloudy, tungsten, fluorescent, etc.) plus custom White Balance and ±3 stop White Balance Bracketing (WB-BKT) ensure that image colours match the photographer’s recollection of the scene.


Comprehensive accessories, software and online access: The Canon EOS Rebel XT digital camera comes complete with Canon NB -2LH battery pack, charger, USB cable, video cable, wide embroidered anti-slip neck strap. A new optional Canon Battery Grip BG-E3 gives the camera a solid and balanced pro feel, particularly when the camera is fitted with longer lenses, and includes a shutter release and main dial for vertical/portrait shooting. It comes complete with one magazine that takes 6 AA batteries and another that takes two Canon NB -2LH Li-Ion rechargeable batteries. Purchase of the Canon EOS Rebel XT Digital entitles photographers to membership of the Canon iMAGE GATEWAY with a 100 MB online photo album for image uploads.


As well as Digital Photo Professional RAW image workflow software, ZoomBrowser EX 5.1 (Windows) and ImageBrowser 5.1 (Mac) are included for handling image file transfers between camera and computer, managing and printing files, and preview and conversion of RAW images. PhotoStitch is included for seamless merging of panorama shots. Arcsoft PhotoStudio software allows artistic and creative manipulation of images. We are eager to learn more about this new Canon DSLR and are waiting for the first Canon EOS Rebel XT digital camera review to appear on the Internet.


Canon EOS Digital Rebel XT CMOS sensor explanation : The Canon EOS Rebel XT features a new CMOS sensor designed and built in-house by Canon. A number of innovations proven in Canon's professional series D-SLR cameras help to ensure the sensor’s image quality is second to none. Canon's history with sensor development stretches back to 1987, when it began using the BASIS sensor for its auto focus systems. Continued R&D in the field led to the 2000 release of the Canon EOS D30: the first commercialisation of CMOS for full colour image capture.

Encouraged by the camera's success, Canon continued to refine and develop the renegade technology. Having overtaken a number of other sensor technologies along the way, CMOS now forms the basis for the world's most popular digital SLR cameras. Before Canon could launch its latest range of digital EOS cameras, the Canon EOS-1Ds Mark ll, EOS-1D Mark ll, EOS 20D and Canon Rebel XT, its engineers had to solve the big problem with small pixels, how to deal with the noise that smaller pixels would inevitably create.

The challenge: Canon's latest EOS range features four entirely new imaging sensors, each with a greater number of pixels than its respective predecessor. To squeeze more pixels onto the same sized sensor, the company's engineers had to make the pixels smaller. The problem with smaller pixels is that they are less sensitive to light and greater signal amplification is required to make it readable. This amplification can generate unwanted noise. To control this noise, Canon's engineers came up with an entirely new imaging sensor for each camera.

The APS-C sized sensor on the original Canon EOS Rebel already possessed 6.3 million effective pixels. Increasing the pixel count to 8.0 million without increasing the sensor size required a reduction in pixel size that would normally result in an increase in unwanted noise. To combat the problem, Canon devised and developed a new generation of on-pixel, noise-control amplifiers which were first proven on the Canon EOS-1Ds Mark ll, EOS‑1D Mark ll and Canon 20D. These new amps are designed not only to drain each pixel of residual charge before exposure, but also to reduce the signal noise that occurs when working with long exposures and exposures in low-light conditions.



Improving efficiency: The pixels housing each sensitive photodiode had to become smaller in the new high-density sensors, so Canon’s team had no option but to look at making them work more efficiently. Using a process of miniaturisation and electronic-component efficiency, the company's sensor designers reduced both the size of the parts that make up each pixel, as well as their number. By increasing the sensitive area of the photodiode, the team were left with a sensor that was much more sensitive to light, and thus less in need of signal amplification. So even though each pixel site is smaller, its receptive area is proportionally larger than before.


Sensitivity: Long exposures are read as they happen, with a dark frame subtraction method used to cancel native interference for true colours and smooth tonal rendering. Fixed-pattern and random noise reduction systems have also been improved to produce the cleanest images possible. However, Canon has not restricted its users to short exposures or sensor ISO values of moderate speeds. The new cameras allow fixed time exposures of 30 seconds, as well as an unlimited bulb mode that lets users keep the shutter open for as long as required. Chip sensitivity, too, can be expanded to the equivalent of ISO 1600 on the Canon Rebel XT Digital and ISO 3200 on Canon's EOS-1 series DLSRs.

Micro lenses: While the micro technologies described above play an enormous part in the image quality these new sensors provide, perhaps the greatest achievement in the conditioning of these highly populated chips is the efficiency with which they use ambient illumination. For smaller pixels to react more effectively to light, they need either more light or the light that exists to be channelled to them in a more direct manner.

Canon's engineers have developed a new type of micro lens for each pixel. Larger and more effective than models used in the past, these lenses have a greater wide-angle element, so are better equipped to gather light and direct it straight to the sensitive part of the pixel. As the lenses have less space between them, they are better equipped to gather more light, and allow less light to fall between receptive areas and be wasted. In effect, these lenses can gather more light in the same way a wide-aperture camera lens can. A larger front element catches a greater section of the information passed in its direction, while the domed aspect of the lenses draws and focuses the light where it matters most. As a result, the micro lenses pick up more of the light channelled to the sensor by the camera’s lens, using it to illuminate and inform the pixels of the sensor. Improving the effective brightness of the received image means the sensor is able to pass information to the processing engine with a lower degree of amplification than would otherwise be the case.

In the detail: Paradoxically, higher resolutions lead almost inevitably to the confusion of fine detail and edge colour, because the sensor’s resolution exceeds the boundaries where Bayer four-pixel layouts can deal efficiently with the level of detail the sensor can record. Without sensor designer intervention, this results in a distracting misrepresentation of extremely fine detail, 'moiré', as well as a colour fringing on edges where subjects of one colour meet the background colour of another, 'false colour'.

Canon's solution is to fit its cameras with a three-layer, low-pass filter that combats moiré and false colour noise patterns by ordering the incoming light to suit exactly its sampling abilities. The first part of this new filter is an infrared cut-off filter that stops the sensor recording wavelengths beyond the normal visible spectrum. This controls the sensor’s response to reds in general, ensuring they don't 'overexpose' and burn out. The next layers are a sandwich of a polarizer and single crystal substrates that combine to provide an accurate vertical and horizontal light wave layout to fit the characteristics of the sensor's resolution. This filter organises the light that passes through the lens into a form the high-resolution sensor can take most advantage from, creating the potential for sharper, more detailed images, while at the same time providing clear and defined subject edges that are not influenced by surrounding colours.




Micro becomes macro: If you were to study any of these cameras' sensors, you would almost certainly be unable to perceive any visible change. You would not be able to see the new micro lenses, the larger photodiodes, the smaller circuitry or the construction of the low-pass filter. To see the difference, you have to compare the images these sensors create with those captured by their immediate predecessors. Canon's principle aim with the introduction of these new cameras is to increase the amount of information saved to file. The purity of this information depends on the balance of signal and noise, and with these new sensors, Canon has broken the relationship between pitch and interference. This was achieved by developing methods to control exactly how the pixels react to light, and to determine how those pixels receive their light in the first place.

The gap widens: The pixel race will continue to drive increases in resolution. As this happens, the importance of noise avoidance technologies also increases to ensure that increases in resolution improve, rather than degrade, image quality. Manufacturers relying solely on software and firmware to deal with the greater noise generated by smaller pixels in higher density sensors will struggle, while brands purchasing off-the-shelf sensors have little say in how those components are designed. As a CMOS designer and manufacturer, Canon is uniquely placed to tailor pixel size, photosite design and sensor componentry to suit each new camera design and respective target market. The inherent barriers to entry of such a position means Canon's leadership in D-SLR is likely to continue for several years. "As a photography and imaging company, it has always been Canon's intention to control the entire light path, from lens through to printed image," says Mr ***uchi, Senior General Manager, Camera Products Management Division, Canon Consumer Imaging Europe "Taming the power of CMOS has been critical to our success".



Canon low pass filter explanation : Certain fabrics can have a very tight, regular weave. On close inspection, this can appear as a series of alternating stripes separated by dark shadows between the weave. When the pitch of this weave is close to a digital camera sensor's pixel pitch, light from the subject will only activate selected rows of pixels. The sensor will then produce false colours, which can change with rotation or lateral movement of the camera. These false colours appear as waves on the image, known as moiré. Subjects such as distant geometric patterns are also susceptible to producing this effect.

To combat the effects of moiré, camera manufacturers sometimes utilize a low pass filter to blur incoming light. But a single filter can only blur a pattern in one direction, which leaves many false colours uncorrected. Moreover, this approach effectively lowers the camera's resolution. Canon's approach is to use a unique three-layer Canon low pass filter. The first filter polarises and separates incoming light vertically by precisely one pixel distance. In order to then split the light horizontally, the light must first have the polarisation removed. This is achieved with a second filter known as a phase plate. The third low pass filter polarises the light a second time, only this time separating it horizontally. Incoming light is therefore spread by precisely one pixel in both the vertical and horizontal directions.

This deliberate blurring has the effect of removing moiré. Unless it is compensated for, however, it also has the effect of reducing image sharpness. Performing accurate compensation, however, requires an exceptionally complex series of processor hungry algorithms, one of the reasons why competing manufacturers have difficulty tackling the moiré phenomenon. One of the Canon's great advantages is the processing 'head room' of its DIGIC II processor, which is used to perform the most sophisticated of correction routines and ensure the benefit of sensor resolution without any trade off in camera performance. The result is high resolution images with outstanding colour reproduction accuracy.




Canon DIGIC II Image processor introduction : The Canon EOS Digital Rebel XT features Canon's DIGIC II processor, proven in Canon's pro-series Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II and EOS-1D Mark II cameras. DIGIC II delivers superb image quality, responsive camera performance, faster AF, faster continuous shooting and extended battery life.

"There are three critical stages affecting digital image quality," says Brian Worley, Camera Product Manager, Canon Europe Ltd. "First the lens determines how the image is transmitted on to the sensor. Then the sensor determines how accurately the light is converted to electrical signals. The third and final stage is the image processor, which dictates how well the signals from the sensor are translated into a viewable image. You need to get each step right to make a good image. Get one of them wrong, and you ruin everything." With over 60 years of precision lens manufacture behind it, Canon has little to prove in the area of optics. With its own award winning CMOS technology Canon is also well in control of the sensor. With its dedicated DIGIC and now DIGIC II (Digital Image Core) image processors, Canon has revolutionised the way digital images are handled.

Ultra high speed: With the introduction of Canon DIGIC II, Canon brings a solution for doing the high speed calculations necessary in order to providing exceptionally accurate colour reproduction in real time. "DIGIC II operates many times faster than other image processors. It can handle more data in a shorter period to allow more complex calculations to take place," says Worley. "DIGIC II runs not on software as others do but as a piece of hardware built into the camera's circuitry. As such it is able to carry out the duties of a number of separate processing units, effectively replacing them to save both time and space." Most digital camera manufacturers face a trade-off between camera responsiveness and the amount of processing each image can receive. For high quality images, data received from the recording sensor needs a lot of attention. But working on that data to the extent required in order to optimise image quality takes time, and can hold-up the operation of the camera. To alleviate this problem, many cameras compromise image quality by using simplified processing methods, leaving off or 'dumbing down' certain processing procedures. Large and expensive buffer memories are required to store data during busy periods, to be processed later when the camera is at rest. This creates its own problems when buffer memories become full, causing cameras to freeze until some of the backlog is cleared.

"With DIGIC II, Canon has created a processor so fast it can read, process, compress and write image data back to the buffer between exposures," explains Worley. "This allows continuous shooting with the Canon Rebel XT digital camera without the camera becoming clogged with data. Moreover, each image is subject to the complex and individual processing required in order to deliver superb image quality." The image quality delivered by DIGIC II is so good that leading photographic agency Getty Images chooses to shoot JPEG rather than RAW images.




White Balance: Apart from the speed with which it clears data from the camera's buffer, the benefits of DIGIC II are most obvious in the areas of white balance (WB) adjustment. The camera uses DIGIC II's additional processing power to build an intelligent understanding of the scene to be captured by taking into account factors such as orientation and subject position. This allows more accurate calculation of auto white balance. "While other manufacturers use systems that divide the scene into hundreds to segments for white balance assessment, the DIGIC II processor in the Canon Rebel XT digital camera has the time and power to look at tens of thousands of segments to build a complex plan of how the scene is constructed. This allows the camera to distinguish between more than one type of light source in a single scene and to treat each area individually," explains Worley.

Another feature of AWB under DIGIC II is what Canon calls 'Feeling Based White Balance'. This is a system that aims to correct casts without destroying the atmosphere of the scene, allowing it to be reproduced in a realistic way. AWB systems that adjust with technical correctness can remove the warmth of a romantic meal for two, the orange/red light of the sun as it dips below the horizon. "This Feeling Based White Balance will reproduce colours closer to the way we see them in different situations, rather than striving to always create a textbook-accurate but sterile image," says Worley.

More stamina: One of the benefits that has come about with the introduction of DIGIC II is extended battery life. "As the processor is only operating for very short periods, it doesn’t use much power," explains Worley. "DIGIC II is part of the reason that the Canon EOS Rebel XT is capable of taking 600 shots on just a single battery charge."

Investment in R & D: "The development of DIGIC and DIGIC II has been made possible by the vast amount of resources Canon has allocated to research and development over many years, and the company's position as a manufacturer of its own electronic components and circuitry," Worley explains. "By increasing its experience in the manufacture of Application Specific Integrated Circuits (ASIC) for its digital camera production line, Canon has ensured that every major piece of hardware required for the construction of the Canon EOS Rebel XT is provided in-house. This puts Canon in a special position in the digital SLR market, a company that produces every significant element that goes into its cameras, from the lenses to the electronics and internal hardware, and in the case of the Canon EOS Digital Rebel XT, the actual sensor itself."

[CyberGuy]

A very nice camera at a very good price :Thumb Much better performance than its older predecessor.

Are you sure you would have to dump your battery grip? I would think it would fit since it is along the same Digital Rebel product line...

[Spec3]

Looks like the new BG-E3 takes the same batteries as the 1D line :shifty

[Bobenis]

Ya, the BG-E3 takes the same batteries as the old D Rebel 300D but the camera itself takes the smaller NB2-LH and hence the 25% smaller size as a result. They tout that the NB2-LH will last for 600 shots on one charge.

[Artcwolf]

RIP Nikon D70...Nikon better worry now! Canon's techies and customer service has listened to the masses with this one. Nokin is in trouble now.

Not exactly.

First off the D70 competes with the 300D and the D70 is a better camera overall. With the hack, the 300D has more features; however, I wouldn't trust Canon's hardware quality (e.g. how long it will last) any more than I would trust sleeping the same room as Charles Manson. It's not that I'm so much a hardcore Nikon fan as some in this forum would be lead to believe; rather, I'd take an Olympus, Minolta, or Nikon any day of the week over Canon. I've just had way to many bad experences with their quaility control from back in my film days to their digital cameras. Blah!

Second, once it's released, see what Nikon comes out with to directly compete rather than comparing it to a camera that was not designed to be in the same class.

[Bobenis]

Nikon will not release anything new to replace the D70 until next year, 2006. The D70 is doing too good in sales right now. The new Rebel XT has the D70 beat in every regard. Canon's customer service is amazing! I have had nothing but excellent service from them. The 300D came out a year before Nikon's D70 came out and thereforE Canon was ahead of the game by a year with a high quality low price DSLR. The 300D takes photos every bit as good as the Nikon does and has a far superior CMOS chip vs/ Nikon's Sony CCD, this is not my opinion but fact, thus why Nikon has gone to the CMOS in their prosumer DSLR's. Wait for the reviews. Don't compare customer service to 10 years ago, Canon's service is flat out excellent!

[abb1]

Yupp, it looks like a very nice camera :Thumb I don't know if I will upgrade right away, but you never know :Yea right

[Artcwolf]

Nikon will not release anything new to replace the D70 until next year, 2006. The D70 is doing too good in sales right now. The new Rebel XT has the D70 beat in every regard. Canon's customer service is amazing! I have had nothing but excellent service from them. The 300D came out a year before Nikon's D70 came out and thereforE Canon was ahead of the game by a year with a high quality low price DSLR. The 300D takes photos every bit as good as the Nikon does and has a far superior CMOS chip vs/ Nikon's Sony CCD, this is not my opinion but fact, thus why Nikon has gone to the CMOS in their prosumer DSLR's. Wait for the reviews. Don't compare customer service to 10 years ago, Canon's service is flat out excellent!


I said their quality control (not customer service) and don't imply that I have not given Canon a second chance. I don't give a rats ass what they want to blow me over the phone, if they can't build cameras that are worth the $$ put into them, then I'm not giving them one more dime.

Canon might have been first that does not mean that was the best. Nikon let Canon test those waters from a business perspective, and when it showed a successfull market, Nikon followed. If it had failed, Nikon would not have been out one dime. It also allowed Nikon (and the other digital camera companies) a chance to see what the ups and downs of the market was so that they could build a better product. From a business perspective, it was a smart move.

I've read the reviews between the Nikon D70 and the Canon 300D. As for a comparason between the D70 and a newer, higher end Canon, it's still not a complete, true comparason as they were not designed to compete with each other. I don't care when Nikon plans on releasing their competitive model.

[Bobenis]

I did not start this thread to make a debate about which is better. I made it for others to see the new 350D Rebel XT. Please do not start some kind of arguement here. Do it elsewhere. Take that bitterness and go take some photos. :) Cheers! Now back to photograpy!

[Artcwolf]

I did not start this thread to make a debate about which is better. I made it for others to see the new 350D Rebel XT. Please do not start some kind of arguement here. Do it elsewhere. Take that bitterness and go take some photos. :) Cheers! Now back to photograpy!


Then you should have taken your own advice and kept your original post to strictly the new Canon AND in your reply to my post, you should have been more accurate. I just defended my original post where I commented on the new Canon. Just because I don't agree with you that the new Canon is all that and a bag of chips, does not mean I cannot post my opinion on the new camera.

:)

[Bobenis]

OK...OK...point taken. :)

[abb1]

Buy it here: Henry's.com (http://www.henrys.com/dnav/frames.html?url=http://www.henrys.com/dnav/frames.html?url=http://www.henrys.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/DepartmentDisplay?catalogId=10101&departmentId=10407&storeId=10001) :Thumb

*hmmm...doesn't link to the camera, but you can find it there. It retails for $1149 cdn :KICKASS

[IanBMW]

First off your canon bigotry is well noted :Blah . Coming from a 2 generation family line of film bodied Canon SLR's and me being the first with a 300D I would rank Canon pretty high in quality. I'm not saying Nikon is bad, I just see Canon's L glass and drool. Oh and the reason you can't use the 300D BG-E1 is for one the 350XT is a COMPLETELY different body. Sure it has it's similarities, but it's ALOT smaller.....if I'm not mistaken THE smallest Digital SLR. Anyways my 300D serves it's purpose, and I'm working on building my Lenses first, then will prolly go for the next generation pro DSLR......Canon 30D I can't wait. :smokin

[Bobenis]

Yup, I am at a toss up between the 20D and the RXT. My hands are huge so I am not sure about the RXT however I can hold my F717 for hours without an issue so it might be ok. I held the Pentax *ist the other day and it wasn't too bad, nice actually and about the same size as the RXT. We will see in the next few weeks I suppose. Ya, the grip for the RXT is different from the 300D's.

[Bobenis]

Well I got my Black Rebel XT body last week. Sold my new and un-used 300D to my dad. I will have to get a battery grip as well for this one. I will be taking loads of shots on this puppy next week while I am in Florida and fill you all in with visuals and opinions. :Thumb

[egarrard]

if I'm not mistaken THE smallest Digital SLR.You're mistaken. The Pentax istDS is smaller...and better. :KICKASS

[Bobenis]

No it is not. I have held and looked at both. They are the same, the XT is slightly smaller. The Pentax does have a nicer grip however. The XT is way faster and takes far superior shots. CMOS blow CCD's out of the water when it comes to noiseless, silky shots. Here is a side by side comparison for ya:

DP Review (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare_post.asp?method=sidebyside&cameras=canon_eos350d%2Cpentax_istds&show=all)

[Bobenis]

Here are the reviews...Phil Askey is very thorough in his reviews as well.

Canon Rebel XT (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos350d/)

Pentax ist DS (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxistds/)

Pentax was RECOMMENDED

Canon was HIGHLY RECOMMENDED :Wink

Weight (inc. batteries) Canon= 540 g (19 oz)
Pentax= 605 g (21.3 oz) :Wink

Dimensions Canon= 127 x 94 x 64 mm (5 x 3.7 x 2.5 in)
Pentax= 125 x 93 x 66 mm (4.9 x 3.7 x 2.6 in)

Yup, you are right, the Pentax is 2 x 1 x 2 mm smaller..wow! LOL

[egarrard]

Here are the reviews...Phil Askey is very thorough in his reviews as well.

Canon Rebel XT (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos350d/)

Pentax ist DS (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxistds/)

Pentax was RECOMMENDED

Canon was HIGHLY RECOMMENDED :WinkYeah, Phil took a load of complaints for that one. He was a little suspect in the review. He was seeing stuff that isn't showing up in his own forums.

If you look at the April issue of Popular Photography, they have a comparison of several different models. The sample from the istDS looks horrible, but they talk up the picture quality in the article. Someone on the Pentax forum suggested that Pop's Canon rep must have done their editing for them. :lmao The camera's not turning up pictures like that anywhere else.

Basically, all the DSLRs in the 6-8MP range will produce similar images with comparable glass. The skill of the photographer is the biggest factor and how familiar they are with that particular camera. The Pentax is better, for me, because it uses all my old lenses, going back 30+ years. The Canons won't.

[Bobenis]

Well you can easily and for cheap buy and F-Mount adapter to use old Canon glass on the new mount systems. I disagree with your idea of most DLSR's taking similar pics. Of all the comparisons I did, without bias, before buying my 300D I found the Canon shots to be the most detailed and free of noise. I was going to get the Nikon D70 at one point but the images just didn't come out as nice as the Canon's when I looked at them side by side. Both the Pentax and the D70 use Sony's CCD and that CCD has well known problems such as moire and laided with noise issues. Nikon glass is a total rip off and Canon's is every bit as good for cheaper. If you have a load of Pentax lenses, I would go for the *ist DS, it is a damn sweet n fine camera and totally comfy as well. :Thumb

[JCYC5]

I borrowed that camera for a day whilst on holiday... and while it looks nice, I just don't like the feel of it. Grip feels much too flimsy and thin compared to my D70.

Image quality is superb, as expected.

Canon and their weird on/off switch :Blah

[D_M_A_N]

Hey guys I came across this forum by searching through google.
I have a canon question, so if anyone knows about this, I appreciate it.

I was looking at a digital rebel xti, body only for $299. I ordered it, then they email me and say to give them a call.
I call them up and, long story short, they say the camera doesnt work unless its got the firmware on the camera. They said that would be another $300 for them to load the firmware. So I didnt order the camera....
I called a wolf camera shop close to me and they said that the firmware comes installed right from the factory and that something doesn't sound right.

Does anyone know about this? or has anyone ever heard of this?

Thanks,
D

[z33k3r]

Big scam there mate! Firmware comes installed just like a bios in a motherboard... from the factory.

[Kindom934]

Hey guys I came across this forum by searching through google.
I have a canon question, so if anyone knows about this, I appreciate it.

I was looking at a digital rebel xti, body only for $299. I ordered it, then they email me and say to give them a call.
I call them up and, long story short, they say the camera doesnt work unless its got the firmware on the camera. They said that would be another $300 for them to load the firmware. So I didnt order the camera....
I called a wolf camera shop close to me and they said that the firmware comes installed right from the factory and that something doesn't sound right.

Does anyone know about this? or has anyone ever heard of this?

Thanks,
D

Good call for getting another opinion. I would definally be warn about this. Sounds very fishy and this is one of those things that leads into a scam.

[egarrard]

Hey guys I came across this forum by searching through google.
I have a canon question, so if anyone knows about this, I appreciate it.

I was looking at a digital rebel xti, body only for $299. I ordered it, then they email me and say to give them a call.
I call them up and, long story short, they say the camera doesnt work unless its got the firmware on the camera. They said that would be another $300 for them to load the firmware. So I didnt order the camera....
I called a wolf camera shop close to me and they said that the firmware comes installed right from the factory and that something doesn't sound right.

Does anyone know about this? or has anyone ever heard of this?

Thanks,
DCongratulations! You found a scammer. If the price looks too good, it usually is.

B&H, Adorama, Beach, Buydig, Henry's. Just few good retailers. :Thumb

[Saturn2888]

Well that's good you didn't buy it, but yeah, the firmware HAS to come on the camera. Especially if you're talking about Canon, they don't normally update their firmwares even if you ask. Anyone that makes you call them... It's like on ebay, if you have to e-mail, don't do it.

[bejohnson]

Hey guys I came across this forum by searching through google.
I have a canon question, so if anyone knows about this, I appreciate it.

I was looking at a digital rebel xti, body only for $299. I ordered it, then they email me and say to give them a call.
I call them up and, long story short, they say the camera doesnt work unless its got the firmware on the camera. They said that would be another $300 for them to load the firmware. So I didnt order the camera....
I called a wolf camera shop close to me and they said that the firmware comes installed right from the factory and that something doesn't sound right.

Does anyone know about this? or has anyone ever heard of this?


Thanks,
D

Total BS. The camera could not even be tested at the factory without the firmware installed. Also the firmware is available on the Canon web site for free so existing cameras can be updated. I have updated both my Digital Rebel 300 and my EOS-1Ds. It takes 15 minutes tops.

[abb1]

yeah, somethings not right. Firmware is easy to flash for this camera. If the camera is good, why doesnt he just flash it and sell it for $599. Sounds to me like it is a faulty camera and people buying it because they can figure that they can load the firmware, then it doesnt work and then it is your fault because you must have screwed something up when loading the firmware. Either way, stay away from deals like that.

[Saturn2888]

So how many of Canon's cameras have firmware updates? I need to know if any of mine do (S2 and S3).

[egarrard]

So how many of Canon's cameras have firmware updates? I need to know if any of mine do (S2 and S3).None (http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&tabact=SupportDetailTabAct&fcategoryid=223&modelid=11368) for the S2, none for the S3 either.

[Saturn2888]

Well darn :(. Thanks egarrard!