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3dGameMan
05-06-2005, 08:23 AM
Beast's real mark devalued to '616': ~source (http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/toronto/story.html?id=702d14ee-4847-4c3d-90ce-46e933232df0)

Chris Wattie
National Post
Wednesday, May 04, 2005

Satanists, apocalypse watchers and heavy metal guitarists may have to adjust their demonic numerology after a recently deciphered ancient biblical text revealed that 666 is not the fabled Number of the Beast after all.

A fragment from the oldest surviving copy of the New Testament, dating to the Third century, gives the more mundane 616 as the mark of the Antichrist.

Ellen Aitken, a professor of early Christian history at McGill University, said the discovery appears to spell the end of 666 as the devil's prime number.

"This is a very nice piece to find," Dr. Aitken said. "Scholars have argued for a long time over this, and it now seems that 616 was the original number of the beast."

The tiny fragment of 1,500-year-old papyrus is written in Greek, the original language of the New Testament, and contains a key passage from the Book of Revelation.

Where more conventional versions of the Bible give 666 as the "number of the beast," or the sign of the anti-Christ whose coming is predicted in the book's apocalyptic verses, the older version uses the Greek letters signifying 616.

"This is very early confirmation of that number, earlier than any other text we've found of that passage," Dr. Aitken said. "It's probably about 100 years before any other version."

The fragment was part of a hoard of previously illegible manuscripts discovered in an ancient garbage dump outside the Egyptian city of Oxyrhynchus. Although the papyrus was first excavated in 1895, it was badly discoloured and damaged. Classics scholars at Oxford University were only recently able to read it using new advanced imaging techniques.

Elijah Dann, a professor of philosophy and religion at the University of Toronto, said the new number is unlikely to make a dent in the popularity of 666.

"Otherwise, a lot of sermons would have to be changed and a lot of movies rewritten," he said with a laugh. "There's always someone with an active imagination who can put another interpretation on it.

"It just shows you that when you study something as cryptic and mystic as the Book of Revelation there's an almost unlimited number of interpretations."...

egarrard
05-06-2005, 08:58 AM
This has actually been around for years.

CyberGuy
05-06-2005, 09:29 AM
I'm sure it has been around just about forever.

It does make you think that if the scholars that originaly translated what is now the modern the bible could make a fundamental mistake like mistranslating the number 666 rather than 616, I wonder what other meaning may have been interpreted differently :shifty

Now that so many millions of people are basing their beliefs on these translations, it makes you wonder whether they are basing their beliefs on God's actual words or some messed up translation of it.

One thing for sure though, if you are looking for the antichrist by checking to see if he/she has a '666' tattoo - you will find a couple hundred thousand of them among the dark gothie crowd, so many in fact that you may overlook the one guy that has a '616'...

Tivon
05-06-2005, 03:03 PM
616 > Beers. :beer

I don't know... 666 just sounds more cool. :cool_shad

777 > God? or 717? :Blah

717 > Beers. :Beer

3dGameMan
05-06-2005, 03:04 PM
Someone call 911 :lmao

Tivon
05-06-2005, 03:28 PM
Someone call 911 :lmao


Tivon, "(#919)" Ring Ring!
"Hi and welcome to the LORD hotline!" :Blah

999 > Beers on the wall. :beer