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bejohnson
05-07-2005, 11:44 AM
This is a follow up on the story of the finger in the custard in North Carolina. I nominate this guy for the "Greedy Bastärd of the Year" award. What a jerk!

Man's refusal to return digit found in custard kills bid to reattach (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/bizarre/3170030)

May 6, 2005, 4:48AM
Associated Press

RALEIGH, N.C. — To a dessert shop customer, the severed fingertip found in a pint of frozen custard could be worth big dollars in a potential lawsuit. To the shop worker who lost it, the value is far more than monetary.

But Clarence Stowers still has the digit, refusing to return the evidence so it could be reattached. And now it's too late for doctors to do anything for 23-year-old Brandon Fizer.

"I'm not saying who has it, but somebody has it," Stowers said this week in a telephone interview, refusing to let on where the fingertip is now.

Soon after Stowers found the finger in a mouthful of chocolate soft-serve he bought Sunday at Kohl's Frozen Custard in Wilmington, he put it in his freezer at home, taking it out only occasionally to show to television cameras.

He refused to give it to the shop's owner, and refused to give it to a doctor who was treating Fizer, who accidentally stuck his hand in a mixing machine and had his right index finger lopped off at the first knuckle.

Medical experts say an attempt to reattach a severed finger can generally be made within six hours.

But according to the shop's management, Stowers wouldn't give it back when he was in the store 30 minutes after the accident.

"The general manager attempted to retrieve it and rush it to the hospital," reads a statement posted Thursday on Kohl's Web site. "Unfortunately, the customer refused to give it to her and declared that he would be calling the TV stations and an attorney as he exited the store."

Officials at Cape Fear Hospital said their efforts to retrieve the finger also failed.

Dr. James Larson, director of emergency medicine for UNC Hospitals, who was not involved in the case, said once Stowers took the finger home and froze it, it was too late to even try for reattachment.

"You can't freeze it. It kills the cells," Larson said.

The doctor said the best way to preserve a severed limb is to wrap it in saline-soaked gauze, place it in a plastic bag and store that in ice water.

Stowers' attorney, Lee Andrews of Greensboro, wouldn't say if a lawsuit against Kohl's is planned, saying he needed "to get some more facts."

But Andrews said his client is concerned about possible disease in the fingertip and kept it because he wanted someone to test it for "all the diseases that are out here now."

"He's upset to the point that he's been debilitated to some degree," Andrews said. "Emotionally, it's been very upsetting to him."

Even if Stowers decides to sue, an expert in medical law said the fingertip could easily have been returned while preserving the evidence.

"The man who lost the finger has the superior claim," said Paul Lombardo, who teaches at the University of Virginia's law school. "It's his finger and he might be able to use it."

Lombardo said Stowers could have photographed the fingertip, taken a bit of flesh for DNA analysis or gotten an affidavit from the surgeon who would have reattached the digit.

"There is nothing that would prevent preserving the chain of evidence," Lombardo said.

Fizer is dealing with his loss in private. The Carolina Beach resident's mother, Sheri Fizer, said the family had been instructed by an attorney not to talk about the case.

Public opinion seemed to be running against Stowers.

"It's a mystery how that customer can live with himself after he refused to return the finger so that doctors might try to reattach it," said an editorial Thursday by the Star-News of Wilmington.

"Unless he offers a better explanation for that decision, people will assume that customer Clarence Stowers cared less about another person's loss of a body part than about his chance to squeeze some bucks out of the custard stand."

The case came not long after a Las Vegas woman made headlines with a claim that she found a finger tip in a bowl of chili at a Wendy's restaurant in San Jose, Calif. Investigators have called her claim a hoax and charged her in connection with millions of dollars in losses to Wendy's in northern California. The woman denies it was a hoax.

For Kohl's, Sunday's fingertip amputation was the second time in less than a year that a worker lost a finger on the same frozen custard machine. The worker was found by investigators to have been negligent in the July 2004 incident, and the state Labor Department cleared the company of wrongdoing.


Kohl's Frozen Custard: http://www.kohls-frozencustard.com/

If I was Brandon Fizer I would sue Clarence Stowers for every penny that the guy has made or ever will make. :grumble :mad :tantrum :mad :grumble

eire1274
05-07-2005, 12:36 PM
Geez, what a ****ing **** *******. He should be **** *****. :mad

Raedwulf
05-07-2005, 03:38 PM
This is a follow up on the story of the finger in the custard in North Carolina. I nominate this guy for the "Greedy Bastärd of the Year" award. What a jerk!



If I was Brandon Fizer I would sue Clarence Stowers for every penny that the guy has made or ever will make. :grumble :mad :tantrum :mad :grumble

If a doctor could be sued malpractice for accidental amputation of a finger, why not a regular guy for knowingly withholding a perfectly viable digit
... whats the guy gonna do with it after the initial trial... that's right chuck it in the trash :tantrum
It might be neat to see what happens

wazman
05-07-2005, 04:04 PM
Geez, what a ****ing **** *******. He should be **** *****. :mad

Now, don't hold back, Nick. Tell us how you really feel. :)

I agree with everyone. What a dork. He's just made life that much more difficult for some poor guy who was just unlucky.

Tivon
05-07-2005, 07:34 PM
C'mon.. the finger should have been returned. What is wrong with everyon? :shifty

CyberGuy
05-08-2005, 06:45 AM
I don't know how much Stowers could get from the Ice cream store, but I think Fizer has a pretty good case to get just about every sent that Stowers receives from the store suit.

The dumb dufus really didn't need to keep the finger, he could have taken some pictures and returned it to Fizer. When the suit came up, it was just a matter of a subpoena to get Fizer on the stand to testify. Now he will be a hostile witness in the store case and suing Stowers in his own right.

egarrard
05-08-2005, 07:03 AM
...and suing Stowers in his own right.Doubt it. He caused the injury to himself, not Stowers.

Some other questions:

- How did Stowers even get served the finger?
- If Fizer had it severed by sticking his hand in the machine while it was running, why didn't they immediately turn it off?
- He had to have been bleeding into the machine. Why did they keep serving ice cream out of it?

I would imagine that the only lawsuits to come out of this are from both men against the store. And I bet OSHA and the local health department are on the way to have a little talk with Kohl's.

wazman
05-08-2005, 07:31 AM
Doubt it. He caused the injury to himself, not Stowers.

Some other questions:

- How did Stowers even get served the finger?

From what I remember from the other thread about it, the newspaper quote said that it was basically negligence on the store's part. They did not shut it down right away, and so it got into the thing between when it happened and when the guy ordered it - they had some prepared.

- If Fizer had it severed by sticking his hand in the machine while it was running, why didn't they immediately turn it off?

See above - the store screwed up big time. According to Nick, they should have immediately, shut it off, closed the place, and proceeded from there.

- He had to have been bleeding into the machine. Why did they keep serving ice cream out of it?

The almighty dollar.

Tivon
05-08-2005, 02:38 PM
"Hey little boy, want some Ice SCREAM..." :noway

CyberGuy
05-08-2005, 04:16 PM
Doubt it. He caused the injury to himself, not Stowers.

Some other questions:

- How did Stowers even get served the finger?
- If Fizer had it severed by sticking his hand in the machine while it was running, why didn't they immediately turn it off?
- He had to have been bleeding into the machine. Why did they keep serving ice cream out of it?

I would imagine that the only lawsuits to come out of this are from both men against the store. And I bet OSHA and the local health department are on the way to have a little talk with Kohl's.

No one is doubting that the ice cream shop was blatantly negligent and will probably be financially ruined. Even if it survives the lawsuit, no one will ever buy their ice cream again.

The fact that Stowers withheld that finger is a serious affront to Fizer though. Because of Stowers' intentional and malevelent negligence Fizer has permanently lost a part of himself when there was a chance that it could have been restored. This can never be replaced.

As far as I am concerned, Stowers had better hope he wins big in his case against the ice cream company - he is going to need every penny to pay off the suit Fizer will end up slapping on him.

egarrard
05-08-2005, 05:35 PM
No one is doubting that the ice cream shop was blatantly negligent and will probably be financially ruined. Even if it survives the lawsuit, no one will ever buy their ice cream again.

The fact that Stowers withheld that finger is a serious affront to Fizer though. Because of Stowers' intentional and malevelent negligence Fizer has permanently lost a part of himself when there was a chance that it could have been restored. This can never be replaced.

As far as I am concerned, Stowers had better hope he wins big in his case against the ice cream company - he is going to need every penny to pay off the suit Fizer will end up slapping on him.Nope. If Stowers gets sued, it will be thrown out. He is the victim here. You might not like how he reacted, but he did nothing illegal.

CyberGuy
05-09-2005, 04:40 AM
I disagree - they are two different cases. An ethical judge is allowed to treat them as related - this would be terms for mistrial.

Case 1: Stowers sues the ice cream store. Stowers vs Dessert store.

In this case everyone agrees that Stowers should win big. No doubt at all. The store was grossly negligent and will ultimately pay the price.

Case 2: Fizer sues for Stowers for malicious negligence: Fizer vs Stowers

This is a case where Stowers purposely refuses to return a severed body part to its owner in time to allow reattachment. It does not matter how Stowers came into possession of that body part. To keep that finger for evidence was totally unnecessary and malicious. Evidence could have been gained from the remaining ice cream and DNA testing, and Fizer's medical records. This is nothing more than pure malice on Stowers' part.

But I guess it depends on the Judge and the lawyer that Fizer gets. If Fizer's lawyer was smart, Stowers would not be keeping a dime of his proceeds. Fizer is a victim every bit as much as Stowers. If Stowers had been smart he would have returned the finger, but kept the ice cream for as evidence of the ice cream shop's negligence. But by being an a-hole he stands to win one case only to possibly lose the second for his maliciousness.

What goes around comes around.

wazman
05-09-2005, 10:32 AM
There was actually an episode of Chicago Hope like this years ago. A guy bit off another guy's finger, and underwent emergency surgery to (or was forced to undergo it) to get the finger back. Well, they found the finger, and reattached it.

Except that the guy had actually bitten off another finger, and they reattached the wrong one.

Turns out the guy they attached it to was a violinist, and he got a construction guy's finger. And his career was over. Or something.

What does this have to do with anything? Not a lot, except it's the same kind of situation. But I don't feel like getting into it again, so this is what you get.

Raedwulf
05-09-2005, 12:44 PM
Hey if you think about it... putting the severed digit in ice cream is a perfectly feasible solution for keeping it viable for reattachment later on (though I'm sure they had just plain old ice) :lmao

bejohnson
05-12-2005, 01:10 PM
Too little too late. :Nope :shifty

Man offers to return finger found in custard (http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/12/custard.finger.ap/index.html)

Experts say it's too late to reattach tip
Thursday, May 12, 2005 Posted: 9:29 AM EDT (1329 GMT)

WILMINGTON, North Carolina (AP) -- The man who found a severed fingertip in a pint of frozen custard has made a belated offer to return the digit, but it's too late to reattach it.

The piece of index finger was found earlier this month by Clarence Stowers in the dessert he purchased from Kohl's Frozen Custard in the coastal town of Wilmington.

Stowers had refused to give it to the shop's owner or a doctor who was treating 23-year-old Brandon Fizer, who accidentally stuck his hand in a mixing machine and had his finger lopped off at the first knuckle.

Stowers put the finger in his freezer, taking it out occasionally to show to television cameras.

Several days after the May 1 incident, Stowers changed his mind and "offered to give the finger back if it can be reattached," said his attorney, Lee Andrews.

But medical experts say reattaching a finger generally must be done within hours.

Stowers has not heard back from Fizer, Andrews said Wednesday.

I'll bet Stower's lawyer has informed him of the ramifications of his actions.

wazman
05-12-2005, 01:19 PM
Somebody must have told him to knock it off... I mean, he treated it like it was a toy - waving it around for reporters. It's part of somebody else's body, not a yo-yo.