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3dGameMan
09-23-2005, 07:11 AM
Soaring gas prices cause frenzy at the pumps: ~source (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20050923/gas_prices_rita_050923/20050923?hub=TopStories)

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CTV.ca News Staff

Soaring gas prices in the wake of Hurricane Rita, and rumours of the worst yet to come, caused long line-ups at gas stations across Canada Thursday over fears that major Texas oil refineries will be shut down.

Drivers in Chatham, Ont., flocked to the pumps to fill up after one station raised prices to nearly $1.75 for a litre of regular unleaded.

And there were huge line-ups at stations throughout Halifax, N.S., following rumours that prices in the area had climbed to $1.79 a litre.

Oil companies maintained that the price for gas in most major eastern Canadian cities was between $1.00 and $1.20 for most of Thursday. But the rumours were enough to send drivers scrambling.

Hurricane Katrina already took out more refining capacity in the U.S. than exists in all of Canada -- according to Fred Scharf of PetroCanada. He added that supplies were already tight before Katrina hit.

But the industry is also insisting the fluctuations will settle down. That declaration is backed up by a new report from the Toronto-Dominion Bank, which predicts gas prices falling next year, but only to about 70 or 80 cents a litre.

The chief economist at BMO Nesbitt Burns, meanwhile, said the "worst case scenario" is that gas prices could go up to about $1.50 if the hurricane does end up temporarily shutting down key refineries in the Gulf of Mexico.

"Now, that's not great, but it's not the end of the world," Sherry Cooper told CTV News.

"And gasoline will be readily available in (Canada). We won't suffer damage to our pipelines the way the U.S. will. And, in addition, this could be just a relatively short term phenomenon."

But while Cooper said there's no reason to panic in Canada, she added that we should be concerned over rising natural gas and heating oil prices, "which could well be sustained in the winter."

"And in most places in Canada, we haven't gotten the full blast of winter yet," she added.

The high cost of energy is expected to dominate the political agenda when MPs get back to work in Ottawa on Monday.

Finance Minister Ralph Goodale said the government is examining options to help Canadians cope with the added costs, but provided no details. Opposition Leader Stephen Harper, meanwhile, said on Thursday that he would cut federal gas taxes if the Conservatives were in power.

Refineries bracing for Rita

The Category 4 hurricane currently churning in the Gulf was expected to strike Texas -- the heart of U.S. oil production -- on Saturday.

Across Texas, traffic came to a standstill and gas shortages were reported as highways and gas stations jammed with thousands of motorists trying to escape the hurricane.

More than 1.3 million people in Texas and Louisiana -- including thousands of oil workers -- have been ordered to evacuate.

"No question, prices are driven by Hurricane Rita," Singapore Energyintel analyst Sam Dale told The Associated Press.

"The fuse is that it will force refinery closures, and if these facilities close it is going to reduce inventories."

Companies are still repairing damage from Hurricane Katrina and the shortage of refining capacity has already pushed up prices.

Texas has 26 refineries and 18 of them are located near the Gulf of Mexico. Nine of those facilities, representing 12 per cent of U.S. refinery capacity have already closed, Dow Jones Newswires reported.

Four refineries hit by Katrina are still out of action and oil traders are concerned about how Rita could further affect capacity.

"Some of those refineries in Texas, they're at sea level. It's a table top, it floods every easily," Ed Silliere, vice president of risk management at Energy Merchant LLC in New York, told AP.

Energy firms have been evacuating hundreds of workers as Hurricane Rita headed to the Gulf of Mexico after pounding Florida and Cuba.

Shell, BP, Chevron, Apache, Anadarko, Exxon Mobil, Valero and ConocoPhilips all said they had taken steps to protect staff...

pan
09-23-2005, 09:14 AM
"Hurricane Katrina already took out more refining capacity in the U.S. than exists in all of Canada -- according to Fred Scharf of PetroCanada. He added that supplies were already tight before Katrina hit."

This guy must be talking out of his arse...

From the National Post:
http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=40d2824c-9133-4f63-8b3c-166655768512

"Mr. Scharf and other officials said limited refinery capacity in North America, combined with steadily growing demand in China and India, means prices are likely to rise over the long term.

The position angered Liberal MP Dan McTeague, who distributed graphs showing worldwide oil stocks were at their highest level since 2000 on the day Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans and crippled refinery installations, key pipelines and offshore drilling platforms in the region."

Looks like the industry is trying to make itself look like the victim rather than the culprit. The fact that there was no shortage in oil stocks and the projected reduction in refining had little to no impact on oil stocks in North America, any major increase in fuel costs was due to profiteering.

Reminds me of the energy 'crisis' atificially created in California a few years back that caused electricity costs to skyrocket.

wazman
09-23-2005, 10:39 AM
Rita hasn't even hit ground yet.

And I did read something from another forum that said for gas prices to be as high as they are, the Middle East or wherever would have to be charging around $92-95 per barrel. Since they are not, we're getting screwed over.

maud'ib
09-23-2005, 11:12 AM
Absolutely! and you know who is doing it? The Station Operators. Think about it for a minute:

The station fills their underground tanks with deliveries from the refineries and pay for it at the price they are charged at that time. Now, along comes something like this and within a couple hours the prices jump up 40-75%. Now why is that? Looks to me that the station operators are taking advantage of us my jacking their prices on even the rumor of a price hike. Let's say they pay $0.80/Liter for their delivery By fair pricing they should be selling that delivery at $0.95/Liter, but instead they are boosting prices FOR THAT SAME GAS to $1.75 - $2.15/Liter (yes one station actually got caught charging $2.15/Liter for regular gas!) making 90-110% profit off of it.

Price fixing is illegal in both Canada and the U.S. Frankly I think any gas station operator that charges more than 15% over their cost should be treated just as any other business would be treated under the unfair business practices laws.

pan
09-23-2005, 11:31 AM
Here is another story about retailers saying that government isn't doing enough to monitor the record proffits of the gas manufaturers:

http://www.canada.com/national/story.html?id=4afd1568-6dc1-4e43-8894-196e211ac3df

I'm not surprised by this, it's not like governments do anything about the record profits of banks either.

No matter how you cut it, consumers get screwed by somebody.

As it is now banks and gas stations should be handing out free vasaline.

wazman
09-23-2005, 12:24 PM
I don't think our gas stations have gone up... For some reason this seems to be a Canadian thing so far.

maud'ib
09-23-2005, 03:19 PM
Just got some gast this afternoon & paid 103.9/Liter - so far I think this has been nothing more than localized scares & money grabs by a few bandit gas station owners.

You should have seen the insanity yesterday as people lined up & blocked traffic at every gas station all afteroon. :nuts Today - no lines at all :rofl2 and the gas was going at the same prices. :taunt :lmao

Sky Rookie
09-23-2005, 03:37 PM
I don't think our gas stations have gone up... For some reason this seems to be a Canadian thing so far.

It went up 21 cents today in the west sububan Chicago area. This morning when I left it was $2.58 and just now on the way home it was $2.79.
The stations may be adding to the problem, but I think it's the corporations that should be charged for price fixing. I agree they are using the fears of the southern weather to raise the prices and make more money.

wazman
09-23-2005, 03:45 PM
This whole gasoline thing is going to blow up in somebody's face big time.

The next President of the US will be the candidate who makes the best sounding promise to do something about gas prices, no matter what party he belongs to, I'll betcha (not that he'll actually do anything about them once he's in office).

Kindom934
09-24-2005, 03:22 PM
Prices here on oahu hit $3.87 super in one gas station about a week ago. Prices now have drop about 30c and is holding at around $3.39 super. The other island, however, are playing $4.00~4.50 for just gas.