Run your car on salt water.

[Manic Mouse]

What do you think? Fact or Fiction?

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A really cool idea if it is true. I have to ask though... How much RF energy is needed to convert salt water into hydrogen/oxygen? More than electrolysis?

[robodude666]

Thats very cool :thumb

I wonder how long before someone buys his invention, who and for how much. It better be 1 gagillion $ (or close to that) as this source of energy can be used for just about anything, powering your car and your home. Although I wouldn't want more waves flying through the air...

[killap4oc]

I believe this is a truthful invention, however what kind of power would those rf units need to be powered in order to make the fire in the first place? Hopefully we could build an alternator to power the battery in turn to power the rf units!

[robodude666]

I believe this is a truthful invention, however what kind of power would those rf units need to be powered in order to make the fire in the first place? Hopefully we could build an alternator to power the battery in turn to power the rf units!

Well, if the output energy of the fire is greater than the input (not theoretically possible) then he has created free energy! Input some energy and then use part of the output energy to continue powering the flame. Then the other part goes to powering the car or the power plant or whatever. Amazing! :P

[Tivon]

Much like with a car.. you need to have the battery to turn it over and get the sparks going in order to keep the fuel burnings. This is not free energy. At some point the energy from the salt water is used up or the battery stops working. Trick is.. what happens to the water? Does it change into a lower grade of water such as dark water or acidic salts? Have you all ever tried to contain salt water, it would eat holes in metal.

Mean while the price of salt stocks go up. In other news, Tivon is not a rocket scientist.

[killap4oc]

holes in metal.

Mean while the price of salt stocks go up. In other news, Tivon is not a rocket scientist.

Hey just thought you wouldn't mind if I would correct you here... "Wholes" HAHA Happens to the best of us lol!

-- Sure Does (Tivon) :taunt

[robodude666]

Much like with a car.. you need to have the battery to turn it over and get the sparks going in order to keep the fuel burnings. This is not free energy. At some point the energy from the salt water is used up or the battery stops working. Trick is.. what happens to the water? Does it change into a lower grade of water such as dark water or acidic salts? Have you all ever tried to contain salt water, it would eat holes in metal.

Mean while the price of salt stocks go up. In other news, Tivon is not a rocket scientist.

What I meant by "free energy" is you only need to input energy once for the energy source to refuel itself. Of course you would need to provide more energy if the salt runs out or battery dies. But still, it won't be possible as the reaction will only give out as much energy as put in. You can't just create more energy.

[MakubexGB]

Amazing! Hope they pick up on this quick!

[matty_1210]

y use solt water when u been able to run a car on just water for years

[egarrard]

I guess we are close to running our cars on something else. It's close to salt water.

http://www.cafes.net/egarrard/Fill_Up.jpg

[AJ]

lol. ^^^^^

[Empty_Quarter]

I guess we are close to running our cars on something else. It's close to salt water.

http://www.cafes.net/egarrard/Fill_Up.jpg

I have seen it work! seriousy!

Talk about recycling! :lmao

[matty_1210]

u can run ur car on rubish a bit like in back to the furture but ur using the gas it give off and not the rubish it self

[eire1274]

What do you think? Fact or Fiction?
Fact. I've seen this up close and in person.

It's really simple... the salt in the salt water is an electrolyte. It gives the water a metallics property, e.g. it makes it conduct electricity, but it also gives the water the ability to interact with high-frequency EM (radio) waves and convert them into electricity, the same way the antenna on your car does. Enough, passing electricity, and we already know the process of separating water into oxygen and hydrogen.

The down time here is that the radio equipment needs a big chunk of power, so the car would be using 50% or more of it's "motor's" power to keep the reaction going by driving a heavy alternator. Secondly, there is no real "throttle" ability here... slowing down the radio output just stops the reaction.

Interesting reaction, though. Would be a nice break from the bad, bad idea of the hybrids we're seeing everywhere.

(Side note: for short distance driving, hybrids are nice. But you put them on a long haul, and you're normal gas-guzzler gets better fuel economy and less emissions.)

[matty_1210]

would be easier just to make the car electric then

[Empty_Quarter]

Cars should just run on solar energy and that it, the simplest of auto solutions.

[matty_1210]

yea but they dont because no 1 would buy petrol and u can not TAX the sun

[robodude666]

Cars should just run on solar energy and that it, the simplest of auto solutions.

Wait till ~2050 for that. We can only harness about 18-20% of solar energy. Everything else is wasted. Scientists are looking for cheaper, better materials which will collect more of the solar energy. You can get $12k panels and stick them on your roof and sell energy to the electric company though. But for cars, it is not all that cost effective. If we can get about 60-80% of the energy then we are good :Thumb

We could run electric cars but do you really want to pay like 12 x $100 for batteries? I doubt it. Thats $12,000.. which in NY can buy you 3.6k gallons of gas which is about 180 full fills for the average car. Sure you can get rechargeable batteries and charge them in your house but do you really want to pay a far higher electrical bill? Mmmmm, doubt it.

The only two good solutions is water/hydrogen and solar power. There is a ton of water around us. Gas stations will be replaced by watering holes and you go fill your car with nice water. The thing-o-ma-bob in your car will separate the oxygen from the hydrogens and the hydrogen will power the engine. Oxygen will be released as exhaust and help us breathe :) What could be better? Or with solar power, the solar panel can either drive the motor directly or recharge the batteries. When theres clouds the car will drive off the batteries. :Thumb

[matty_1210]

well the thing with electric cars that u plug in costs as much to run a a petral car u just dont have to plug it in all the time and its like 5 mins to fill a car or like 5 hours to charge ur car

[Empty_Quarter]

We could run electric cars but do you really want to pay like 12 x $100 for batteries? I doubt it. Thats $12,000.. which in NY can buy you 3.6k gallons of gas which is about 180 full fills for the average car. Sure you can get rechargeable batteries and charge them in your house but do you really want to pay a far higher electrical bill? Mmmmm, doubt it.


Thats when having solar panels in your house comes useful! to charge your car! :)

or even wind power, I wouldn't mind sticking up 19 windmills on the top of my house :Thumb

[robodude666]

well the thing with electric cars that u plug in costs as much to run a a petral car u just dont have to plug it in all the time and its like 5 mins to fill a car or like 5 hours to charge ur car

As technology advances you will be able to recharge your car in 5 hours then in 3 and then in a few minutes. If you use solar energy you can recharge the car while you are driving.. That is, if we don't pollute and don't screw up the sky :P Big black clouds block the pretty burning sun. But we would need to find a new source of energy in a billion years as the sun might burn out :banghead

[matty_1210]

yea but in a billion years i would of give up careing about any think plus then the sun goes super nover we are all dead

[nilzxx]

lol, then we use salt-cars until our salt runs out. and then we hav tod die cuz we need salt....pretty stupid in my opinion. (and the fish would die too without the right amount of salt)

[Empty_Quarter]

On a serious note, what do you guys think of wind-energy, personally I think its workable!

[Enigmachine]

Cars should run on acid rain :) Fix all the problems at once!:)

[eire1274]

lol, then we use salt-cars until our salt runs out. and then we hav tod die cuz we need salt....pretty stupid in my opinion. (and the fish would die too without the right amount of salt)
Er...

You don't really understand the process here, do ya?

See, salt is an electrolyte. It enables the reaction, but it is not consumed in the reaction. You burn off the hydrogen and the oxygen (you remember, H₂O) and end up with an almost empty tank with a residue of mostly dehydrated salt.

Oh, and the end "waste product" of burning hydrogen and oxygen? Water. You burn it, and you get water. No CO₂, as there is no carbon involved in the process. Just water.

Found some info here... the equipment to run the radio transmission equipment takes more around 30 times the power than you can return from the burning of the hydrogen/oxygen reaction. As of this point, this "free energy" idea is bust. A car could not produce nearly enough power to operate the transmitter, let alone move itself.

[egarrard]

On a serious note, what do you guys think of wind-energy, personally I think its workable!Okay, stick a mast up through your roof and hoist a sail. It would be a real "land yacht". :lmao

[Empty_Quarter]

Er...

You don't really understand the process here, do ya?

See, salt is an electrolyte. It enables the reaction, but it is not consumed in the reaction. You burn off the hydrogen and the oxygen (you remember, H₂O) and end up with an almost empty tank with a residue of mostly dehydrated salt.

Oh, and the end "waste product" of burning hydrogen and oxygen? Water. You burn it, and you get water. No CO₂, as there is no carbon involved in the process. Just water.

Found some info here... the equipment to run the radio transmission equipment takes more around 30 times the power than you can return from the burning of the hydrogen/oxygen reaction. As of this point, this "free energy" idea is bust. A car could not produce nearly enough power to operate the transmitter, let alone move itself.

Are you like a chemist? you seem to know your science! impressive :)

[eire1274]

Are you like a chemist? you seem to know your science! impressive :)
Too many years of school. Could have gone that way, but didn't. But, yeah, chemistry classes were fun.