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bejohnson
09-23-2008, 12:18 PM
Let's hear three cheers for socialized medicine. :luxhello :luxhello :luxhello

Man dies after 34-hour stay in Winnipeg ER waiting room
(http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=c83de5bb-9e5d-4e1a-b966-0aafe5404fc9)

Gabrielle Giroday, Winnipeg Free Press
Published: Monday, September 22, 2008

WINNIPEG - A head official at this city's Health Sciences Centre said Monday workers were shocked by the revelation a man sat in the hospital's waiting room for 34 hours without medical help before dying there.

Brock Wright, the Winnipeg Regional Health Authority's chief medical officer and Health Sciences Centre chief operating officer, confirmed Monday that the 45-year-old man was reportedly dropped off by vehicle at the hospital around 3 p.m. local time Friday - before he was found dead in the ER Sunday after midnight.

Wright said health officials are still trying to figure out why the man never saw a doctor.

"We've never had this situation before," said Wright. "He had some contact with the staff in the department, but he was never assessed by the triage nurse, and was therefore never identified as a patient requiring care ... we did interview a few key staff (on Monday), and further interviews and information gathering is ongoing."

The office of the chief medical examiner has launched a review into the matter, said Wright who added security tapes of the facility are being reviewed.

"It's never happened before at HSC, that a patient would remain in the emergency department for such a long time, without ever having been triaged or registered," he said. "The hospital and the staff feel terrible about what has happened, and we're all very committed to learning as quickly as possible what went wrong, and take whatever measures necessary to ensure something like this never happens again."

Wright said he could not confirm the man was a street person, as a CTV television report suggested Monday.

Normally, Wright said triage nurses set up in the waiting room or their aides would assess patients.

He said during the day and early evening there are at least three health workers there to help process patients.

"What should happen in every case is that a patient coming into the emergency department would be seen, there's a desk where the triage nurse resides, and patients, whether they're walking in, or they're brought in, or they arrive by ambulance, all present to the triage desk, and at the triage desk, critical information is collected."

Based on information collected here, Wright said the patient's priority is decided.

He admitted there are no policies that specifically dictate triage nurses should approach all people in the waiting room about why they're there.

© Winnipeg Free Press 2008

robodude666
09-23-2008, 12:21 PM
Really is sad how you can get pizza in this country faster than you can get police to come or medical help.

gkpeter1
09-23-2008, 06:12 PM
Please post the full article, because I didn't see any indication that this particular event was caused by a flaw in socialized medicine. So, I am assuming you accidently left out the rest of the article that led you to this conclusion.

This looks more like procedural problems at a health centre versus a problem with a whole system.

When I go into the ER in the US, I usually seek help, I never wait and expect to be waited on.

Maro
09-24-2008, 02:54 AM
Let's hear three cheers for socialized medicine. :luxhello :luxhello :luxhello

For every one Horror story like that I raise you 1000s of Horror stories relating to US medicine.

I wouldn't even go there......

bejohnson
09-24-2008, 04:47 AM
Please post the full article, because I didn't see any indication that this particular event was caused by a flaw in socialized medicine. So, I am assuming you accidently left out the rest of the article that led you to this conclusion.

This looks more like procedural problems at a health centre versus a problem with a whole system.

When I go into the ER in the US, I usually seek help, I never wait and expect to be waited on.

Follow the link and you will see that what is posted is the full article.

efernandez_98
09-24-2008, 07:19 AM
I dunno, seems to me you sorta get what you pay for.

Manic Mouse
09-24-2008, 11:30 AM
Actually we do pay for it - to the tune of several billion $$$ of our taxes each year. Not only that but what we are paying for is just the very basic medical services. It does not cover drugs. If you break your leg, it will cover resetting the bones and a plaster cast - but no crutches. You want a fiberglass cast & crutches you either need supplemental health insurance or cash. Even supplemental insurance will not buy you a fast track to quicker service. You have to be a celebrity or high-ranking government official to get that. Nope - You can expect to sit a minimum 3 hours even in an empty emergency room (did that when I broke my foot) unless the triage nurse diagnoses a life-threatening condition as you are coming in (that happened when my wife had to go in for a transfusion due to severe anemia - fastest I've ever seen any emergency room move).

The biggest problem here is that because there is this government-subsidized health system, we end up capping the pay of our doctors. This means if a doctor wants to make any real money, they immigrate to the U.S. The best doctors to graduate from the Canadian med schools are now practicing in the U.S. raking in the big bucks (and paying the big malpractice insurance premiums). Believe me when I tell you that if you have a family doctor, and you move 30 miles away to another city, you keep going to that same doctor - because you will never find one where you move to. All of our GPs are way overloaded and accepting no new patients.

Let's compound that issue with the fact that our dear government limits the number of medical students admitted into universities.

Even worse again is that doctors emigrating into Canada from other countries must spend thousands of dollars recertifying to practice in this country (which is again... you guessed it - limited by our government). Many of these end up flipping burgers @ Micky-D's or scrubbing toilets because their medical training does not cover any other kind of skilled trade.

Now top that off with the fact that we have a severe shortage of GPs in Canada and you are left scratching your head over what the frack is going on in this goofed up country.

Sometimes I wonder if the Canadian medical system should be deregulated, or at the very least a 2-tier system should be put in place. Our loving government has been fighting that idea for decades now.