games, do they put violence in us?

[KaNaDiAnIcEmAn]

this is MY opinion:
guns kill people, in order for guns tokill people, someone has got to pull the trigger. now, if this someone cannot determine from reality and virtual reality, they need some help. it should not be treated different because of games, people claim insanity and they could not determine right from wrong. they have tests for this. if you fail this test, your going to jail. you pass, your get 5 years in the looney and then are released.

there is no way games create killers. games cannot kill people, people kill people.:bounce

[Tivon]

Originally posted by KaNaDiAnIcEmAn
this is MY opinion:
guns kill people, in order for guns tokill people, someone has got to pull the trigger. now, if this someone cannot determine from reality and virtual reality, they need some help. it should not be treated different because of games, people claim insanity and they could not determine right from wrong. they have tests for this. if you fail this test, your going to jail. you pass, your get 5 years in the looney and then are released.

there is no way games create killers. games cannot kill people, people kill people.:bounce

Unless killing people is the game.

[KaNaDiAnIcEmAn]

again we come to telling virtual reailty from reality, i know if i killed a pixel and i know if i kill a person. but are these people insane if they mix them up?

[fanATIc]

It's a nice scapegoat for parents who don't want to admit that those kinds of things are usually caused by poor parenting.

[Artcwolf]

Originally posted by KaNaDiAnIcEmAn
again we come to telling virtual reailty from reality, i know if i killed a pixel and i know if i kill a person. but are these people insane if they mix them up?

Some branches of the military are using violent fps games to help "desensitize" the soldiers of the fear of killing another human being.

I do not believe that just video games alone can cause a problem.

It is not hard, however, to find other stimulants mixed with heavy violent video game playing produce a dangerous mix of reality.

I love my fps games. There is such a thing as too much, though.

[SonikEmpire]

Yeh that is all true! People kill People and not Games...
Games are Games and reality is reality, why people mix them up?
Why would a game make me kill people!?? I don't understand and many of you will agree with me on this one.

Yes. It's a coverup for bad parenting!!!!!!!!!
Parents see that they can't blaim their parenting on Music so now they are going for the games...I'm thinking what the next scapegoat? Is it Comics or cartoons, or whatever.

GAMES DON'T KILL PEOPLE! PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE!

Thanks for the understanding!

[Orangepeel]

If physical reality begins to blur with fiction, it's time to visit the nearest doctor and ask for help.

Sometimes I think random acts of violent behaviour are partially programmed in. You're either capable of it, or not.

Games can teach you a little bit about how to aim and shoot. But to actually pull the trigger on another human being is far beyond the scope of any game.

It's like people who drop bricks off highway overpasses...why the heck would you even want to do that type of thing?

The screw has to be already loose somewhere up in the brain to commit deadly acts, along with a lack of remorse, and the absence of a good role model to teach what is right and what is wrong.

[SonikEmpire]

Amen sherry...

LOL i agree!

[egarrard]

Originally posted by Orangepeel
the absence of a good role model to teach what is right and what is wrong.
That said it best.

[Tivon]

Originally posted by Orangepeel
If physical reality begins to blur with fiction, it's time to visit the nearest doctor and ask for help.

Sometimes I think random acts of violent behaviour are partially programmed in. You're either capable of it, or not.

Games can teach you a little bit about how to aim and shoot. But to actually pull the trigger on another human being is far beyond the scope of any game.

It's like people who drop bricks off highway overpasses...why the heck would you even want to do that type of thing?

The screw has to be already loose somewhere up in the brain to commit deadly acts, along with a lack of remorse, and the absence of a good role model to teach what is right and what is wrong.


The ability to hate and kill is within us all. It is only a matter of time and conditioning that one is enlightened enough to think killing people is okay. They are not crazy by any means, they wish to simply kill for pleasure. As unbelievable as it may seem people can be possessed by others to influence a controlled rage ending in murder. Street gangs shoot each other’s in the streets and whole cities have gone mad in the dark without power. I know to the average naturalist human being this would seem far-fetched. But then again what would the average person know much more than working for money and ordering fast food. You have not hunted your KFC chicken or Burger King cow and in this you lack the sprit bond between life and you’re your dinner bucket. People are about as alive as any good sheep or cattle waiting for its life to pass before their eyes. In the killing of others people become something more than ordinary men. Evil is not the word I’m looking for to describe what can never be written. You have a soul, better stop and listen to it from time to time, it might have something to say.

[Artcwolf]

Originally posted by Tivon
The ability to hate and kill is within us all. It is only a matter of time and conditioning that one is enlightened enough to think killing people is okay. They are not crazy by any means, they wish to simply kill for pleasure. As unbelievable as it may seem people can be possessed by others to influence a controlled rage ending in murder. Street gangs shoot each other’s in the streets and whole cities have gone mad in the dark without power. I know to the average naturalist human being this would seem far-fetched. But then again what would the average person know much more than working for money and ordering fast food. You have not hunted your KFC chicken or Burger King cow and in this you lack the sprit bond between life and you’re your dinner bucket. People are about as alive as any good sheep or cattle waiting for its life to pass before their eyes. In the killing of others people become something more than ordinary men. Evil is not the word I’m looking for to describe what can never be written. You have a soul, better stop and listen to it from time to time, it might have something to say.

I agree.

The problem with this discussion/topic is that it reaches into human psycology farther than most of us can comprehend. I do not have a Phd. in Psycology and would venture a guess to say most of the people in this forum do not have one either.

The problem with the argument that guns don't kill people and that people kill people is an illusion. It takes a human to pick up the gun AND have the CONDITIONING to kill another human. All violent games do is help REDUCE the emotional response a human has to killing another human.

I will never say that a game, in and of itself, will cause someone to kill another human being. I will also never say that guns should be outlawed.

I will say that there will be issues with many people just like some people have problems with alcohol, gambling, drugs, etc. and that we should be aware that violent games have a HIGH probability to add to the complexity of these problems.

It also has the possiblilty of reducing the emotional restraint of the average human. It might not be noticable until that person loses their temper. Now that person has a higher probablity of becoming violent due to the conditioning of the violent games.

Now the amout of game play that would affect a human is relative to the emotional response of EACH INDIVIDUAL PERSON.

I do not believe that you can say, for example, that more than four hours play per day of a violent game will cause a person to become violent. There are just too many variables and a video game, in and of itself, is NOT going to MAKE someone violent.

This is just my two cents and if I'm not clear, sorry.

[Artcwolf]

I do not believe that you can say, for example, that more than four hours play per day of a violent game will cause a person to become violent.

This should read:

I do not belive that you can say, for example, that more than four hours play per day of a violent game will increase the chances of a person BECOMING violent under the RIGHT conditions.

[Michin]

Originally posted by Sphinx
Yes. It's a coverup for bad parenting!!!!!!!!!
Parents see that they can't blaim their parenting on Music so now they are going for the games...I'm thinking what the next scapegoat? Is it Comics or cartoons, or whatever.


Agreed...

Parent's, parents associations, ect ect have been trigger happy freaks at a carnival when it comes to placing blame on anything and everything but themselves.

Your parents parents parents did it...and their parents parents parents did it also...

So the real question is...when you become a parent. Will you do the same thing yourself?

[Orangepeel]

I see what you mean, Tivon.

But there's hunting for food to sustain...and then there's taking another human's life.

Then we could get into the whole idea of vegetarianism because some people don't eat any meat at all and would not take the life of any living creature...then we're really digging deeper and stretching the topic waaaay off, although it could be considered related...

And I see Artcwolf's point too...for the most part the psychology is much too great for us to understand unless we've been schooled in that field :).

Little boys play with toy soldiers...some grow up to be soldiers...some see real battles...and say they never want to see that kind of horror again...but in the heat of the moment it all seems normal to them, like an average day at work...until they get back home.

[Tivon]

"They are not crazy by any means, they wish to simply kill for pleasure"

What I'm trying to say here is that killing people can be a pleasure. Maybe not in the way your thinking perhaps. It's in the rush of killing the enemy and being the hero. From one persons view they are killing the bad people and from another there is a mad man killing everyone. Can you see that there is a flip flop side to this? To say a video game tells you to kill is far from the truth. I think those people have been waiting for something to give reason to kill. People forget that we live in a world that is dog eat dog. So if In the woods and a bear kills a man is it anyless a killer than the man that was hunting after playing quake3 for 3 hours before getting slain? Twist...

[KaNaDiAnIcEmAn]

i saw on discovery about military using quake 2 for team work, they would play so they could relay positions to get better with combat in team situations.

[Artcwolf]

Little boys play with toy soldiers...some grow up to be soldiers...some see real battles...and say they never want to see that kind of horror again...but in the heat of the moment it all seems normal to them, like an average day at work...until they get back home.

In the Invasion of Normandy it was figured that only 50% of the soldiers fired their weapons.

After this the U.S. Military began to find ways to condition their soldiers to fire their weapons upon other humans.

Now, they use violent game simulaters to do this. It is based upon psycology. A "re-conditioning" of the human brain.

Does a game cause someone to kill or maim another human?

No.

Does a gun kill another human?

No.

Well, sort of.

Mix several components together in the right volitile situation and, volia, you have a probable lethal situation.

It's all about the psyc......

[caddelite]

I and many others grow tired of this debate with people saying games cause people to injure or even kill another human.

This is just an excuse for someones poor choice of action! I have played violent, bloody, gorey, games. I have seen movies containing all kinds of horrific things. Do I go out and do the things i see in movies? NO, its a movie, its not real. Sure those things happen in real life but I am not going do it.

I am sure most of you are away of those school shootings, yes? One of the more prominent cases of this took place at a school called Columbine high, somewhere in colorado. The kids who did the shooting were said to have played violent games like doom and other such titles. Did they do the shooting because they saw it in a video game? No they killed those people because they were deranged, they had problems.

In short I am tired of people not taking responsibility for their actions. "I killed them because i saw it in a game."

Oh well im done, if this made any sense good but, i didnt really write this rant very well.

-caddelite

[KaNaDiAnIcEmAn]

caddelite well said

[efernandez_98]

Originally posted by caddelite
In short I am tired of people not taking responsibility for their actions. "I killed them because i saw it in a game." Yeah, when was the last time you had an alien chasing you down with a Flak Cannon, or a red head pelting you in the head with a Lighting Gun?





I mean in real life.





No, not the comic.

[Weejamer]

Originally posted by caddelite
I and many others grow tired of this debate with people saying games cause people to injure or even kill another human.

This is just an excuse for someones poor choice of action! I have played violent, bloody, gorey, games. I have seen movies containing all kinds of horrific things. Do I go out and do the things i see in movies? NO, its a movie, its not real. Sure those things happen in real life but I am not going do it.

I am sure most of you are away of those school shootings, yes? One of the more prominent cases of this took place at a school called Columbine high, somewhere in colorado. The kids who did the shooting were said to have played violent games like doom and other such titles. Did they do the shooting because they saw it in a video game? No they killed those people because they were deranged, they had problems.

In short I am tired of people not taking responsibility for their actions. "I killed them because i saw it in a game."

Oh well im done, if this made any sense good but, i didnt really write this rant very well.

-caddelite

Just to add to what your saying (which is well said)

If your in the uk you'll know what i am talking about...

We had a kid 3 years maybe 4 called Jamie Bulger (not sure of spelling) Basicaly he was taken away when his mum was not looking in a shopping mall... The 2 8 year olds took jamie and kicked him, hit him with bricks, raped him.... Them piled a lot of bricks up on him and left him on the railway line to get run over (i can't really remember but i think he was still living at that point) he was found before the train hit...

It was blamed on the film Childsplay.... Remember the phyco who took over the body of a doll (chucky) Then the film was bannned to be showen on TV (still to this day) if you had it on video you could still play it though...... I mean come on when did chucky rape a small boy or pile bricks on him on a rail line so he could not move untill the train hit... They used films as a scape goat...

But what i woud like to know that reall nasty stuff went on before TV... or computer games.... Rape murder, mass murder... Hitler was not that evil because he was addicted to quake... he was evil for other reason....

Games and films ar too easy targets...

[Weejamer]

sorry what i would like to know is what was the reason for it in the past

[efernandez_98]

Originally posted by Weejamer
Hitler was not that evil because he was addicted to quake OMFGROTFLMAO!

[Weejamer]

Originally posted by efernandez_98
OMFGROTFLMAO!

lmao:KICK ASS :spin